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Jamo. Is he eligible for rising star???
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If he isn't.

he's 22. i think its only for under 21's. i may be wrong


He's eligible under the Carrazzo rule.


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FEV - can't believe anyone at the game was satisfied with Fev's efforts. He just didn't try in the first three quarters. He has prodigous talent as he showed in the last but is the most selfish player I have ever seen in th navy blue, and at 27 I have finally conceded that he won't ever change. The fact that the coach tolerated his antics in the first three qtrs indicates that either they have decided Fev is gone, or they have decided that he can do what he likes and he is not subject to the same rules or requirements of the rest of the team. The fact that he is so talented makes it all the harder to take. He is just so dumb and immature that he doesn't get it and doesn't care if he lets his team mates down. His first half was as bad as anything he has ever served up. It is going to be hard to tell young players they have to chase etc if Fev is allowed to do as he pleases. I don't know what we do. He is a match winner who works totally for himself. Even in the last right in front of me, twice he didn't bother to pick up an opponent and the ball was passed to the dogs player nearest to him. If we didn't have him we would lose a guy who is close to the best in the comp when on song, but if he stays it means we have the most selfish lazy immature player in the league setting an example for anyone who comes into the side. People might say he won the game for us, but if he had tried early on we never would have been behind.

Ratts - gutless effort to allow Fev to stay on the park when he clearly was not trying. Smacks of a suburban coach who needs his star even when he plays like a spoilt child. I can't believe posters who have seen the great Carlton sides and leaders would tolerate this. Fev is brilliant, charismatic exciting and utterly self centred, selfish and disinterested in the 1%s. He chases and tries when it suits himself not the team. Looks like Ratts reckons that's okay by him.


Garbage...he had a few shots that missed early in the game then stepped up to seal the win for us in the end....yes the reversal of the 50 was regrettable but I think his good yesterday more than made up for the bad, and Ratts even said so. His chasing was good, his conversion when it mattered was outstanding.

I'm so sick of all the Fev haters, who even after he plays a major role in a great win, continue with their ignorant rants about negative "body language" and other minor, inconsequential issues which they delight in over-exaggerating the impact of.

At the end of the day we pay him for KICKING GOALS to assist us in WINNING GAMES - both of which materialised yesterday. For you to say he is not interested in one percenters is indicative of the amount of notice you must take of him on the field. And for you to pin the fact we were behind on him is so completely off the mark that it doesn't even deserve a response.

Great game from the Fev yesterday - we wouldn't have won without him.

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Garbage...he had a few shots that missed early in the game then stepped up to seal the win for us in the end....yes the reversal of the 50 was regrettable but I think his good yesterday more than made up for the bad, and Ratts even said so. His chasing was good, his conversion when it mattered was outstanding.

I'm so sick of all the Fev haters, who even after he plays a major role in a great win, continue with their ignorant rants about negative "body language" and other minor, inconsequential issues which they delight in over-exaggerating the impact of.

At the end of the day we pay him for KICKING GOALS to assist us in WINNING GAMES - both of which materialised yesterday. For you to say he is not interested in one percenters is indicative of the amount of notice you must take of him on the field. And for you to pin the fact we were behind on him is so completely off the mark that it doesn't even deserve a response.

Great game from the Fev yesterday - we wouldn't have won without him.


As I said in the post Elroy, Fev is a phenomenal talent but too often he doesn't do the team things. I didn't mention the 50 meter penalty, it was actually his whole first 2 and a half qtrs. Best example was his half hearted chase on Hargrave that allowed the dogs to get the final goal of the half. That wasn't an isolated incident .

I was at the game and Fev just looked like he wasn't interested in trying until the last qtr, and even then he didn't bother to pick up an opponent when the dogs had the ball. He will always kick goals and be a star, he has super talent but he will never consistently do the team things. He sets a terrible example for the younger players and his behaviour wouldn't be tolerated in a side with stronger leadership.

Have a look at Judd's effort yesterday and tell me why we shouldn't expect Fev to try as hard as that all the time. If we accept that he can do whatever he wants on the field so long as he kicks goals, then is that good for the team long term? I can't believe anyone at the game yesterday was happy with his first 3 qtrs - not that he didn't kick goals but that he just didn't compete or do any of the team things. So does his talent excuse him from team things, do we allow him to do as he pleases because he can kick goals? Were you actually happy with his whole game yesterday. If any other player dished up a first half like that would you say that's okay?


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con; did not see the game!!
how did austin go? big fan of the stone cold.
pro; cant wait to see jamo, bower and austin play together in the years to come!! what a defence, along with browne and armfield.
pro; great 07 draft for us with kreuzer, browne and armfield.


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Judd - the after-burners are back. +90% fit for mine.

For the first time this year he slapped on pace for a 50m run and caught a Doggy flying. I turned to my mate with a smile and said, "HE'S BACK!" He had a roost from outside 50 too!

Did nobody else see this?

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gerry atric wrote:
Elroy wrote:
Garbage...he had a few shots that missed early in the game then stepped up to seal the win for us in the end....yes the reversal of the 50 was regrettable but I think his good yesterday more than made up for the bad, and Ratts even said so. His chasing was good, his conversion when it mattered was outstanding.

I'm so sick of all the Fev haters, who even after he plays a major role in a great win, continue with their ignorant rants about negative "body language" and other minor, inconsequential issues which they delight in over-exaggerating the impact of.

At the end of the day we pay him for KICKING GOALS to assist us in WINNING GAMES - both of which materialised yesterday. For you to say he is not interested in one percenters is indicative of the amount of notice you must take of him on the field. And for you to pin the fact we were behind on him is so completely off the mark that it doesn't even deserve a response.

Great game from the Fev yesterday - we wouldn't have won without him.


As I said in the post Elroy, Fev is a phenomenal talent but too often he doesn't do the team things. I didn't mention the 50 meter penalty, it was actually his whole first 2 and a half qtrs. Best example was his half hearted chase on Hargrave that allowed the dogs to get the final goal of the half. That wasn't an isolated incident .

I was at the game and Fev just looked like he wasn't interested in trying until the last qtr, and even then he didn't bother to pick up an opponent when the dogs had the ball. He will always kick goals and be a star, he has super talent but he will never consistently do the team things. He sets a terrible example for the younger players and his behaviour wouldn't be tolerated in a side with stronger leadership.

Have a look at Judd's effort yesterday and tell me why we shouldn't expect Fev to try as hard as that all the time. If we accept that he can do whatever he wants on the field so long as he kicks goals, then is that good for the team long term? I can't believe anyone at the game yesterday was happy with his first 3 qtrs - not that he didn't kick goals but that he just didn't compete or do any of the team things. So does his talent excuse him from team things, do we allow him to do as he pleases because he can kick goals? Were you actually happy with his whole game yesterday. If any other player dished up a first half like that would you say that's okay?


He kicked 6.5 yesterday contributed highly to us winning, as he has done a number of times, has won a Coleman Medal, the Aylett Medal in the State Game with his 6 goals, A Michael Tuck Medal, and on target for not only pushing 100 goals this year but pushing close to 50 tackles as well. Many goals have been kicked from a Fev-created turnover this year. Rather than looking at what he doesn't do let's look at what he does do. Imagine being positive !!!! He'll frustrate, that's Fev and the media will build that perception with a magnifying glass, but the good will outweigh the bad by along way. Sometimes in life you can't have everything and you have to take the good with the bad. Be thankful for what we have got.


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Judd - the after-burners are back. +90% fit for mine.

For the first time this year he slapped on pace for a 50m run and caught a Doggy flying. I turned to my mate with a smile and said, "HE'S BACK!" He had a roost from outside 50 too!

Did nobody else see this?


I also was at the game and it was right in front of me, it wasn't just anyone either, it was Griffen, one of their quickest blokes who regularly speeds off and breaks packs. My mate, who is a Bulldogs supporter couldn't believe it, Griffen turned and seen Judd catching him and shit himself.

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wasthesonofapreacherman wrote:
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Judd - the after-burners are back. +90% fit for mine.

For the first time this year he slapped on pace for a 50m run and caught a Doggy flying. I turned to my mate with a smile and said, "HE'S BACK!" He had a roost from outside 50 too!

Did nobody else see this?


Couldn't have said it any different myself to my mate at the game, too!!!

He's 90% and is approaching 10 months since the adductor release - they say about 10 to 12 months before you get full movement back, and Juddy is not far away. Put a couple of hundred away for the brownlow for 09 when the odds come out for the 09 brownlow market.

Maybe a smokey for this year if he strings a few more BOG games!!!!

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gerry atric wrote:
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Garbage...he had a few shots that missed early in the game then stepped up to seal the win for us in the end....yes the reversal of the 50 was regrettable but I think his good yesterday more than made up for the bad, and Ratts even said so. His chasing was good, his conversion when it mattered was outstanding.

I'm so sick of all the Fev haters, who even after he plays a major role in a great win, continue with their ignorant rants about negative "body language" and other minor, inconsequential issues which they delight in over-exaggerating the impact of.

At the end of the day we pay him for KICKING GOALS to assist us in WINNING GAMES - both of which materialised yesterday. For you to say he is not interested in one percenters is indicative of the amount of notice you must take of him on the field. And for you to pin the fact we were behind on him is so completely off the mark that it doesn't even deserve a response.

Great game from the Fev yesterday - we wouldn't have won without him.


As I said in the post Elroy, Fev is a phenomenal talent but too often he doesn't do the team things. I didn't mention the 50 meter penalty, it was actually his whole first 2 and a half qtrs. Best example was his half hearted chase on Hargrave that allowed the dogs to get the final goal of the half. That wasn't an isolated incident .

I was at the game and Fev just looked like he wasn't interested in trying until the last qtr, and even then he didn't bother to pick up an opponent when the dogs had the ball. He will always kick goals and be a star, he has super talent but he will never consistently do the team things. He sets a terrible example for the younger players and his behaviour wouldn't be tolerated in a side with stronger leadership.

Have a look at Judd's effort yesterday and tell me why we shouldn't expect Fev to try as hard as that all the time. If we accept that he can do whatever he wants on the field so long as he kicks goals, then is that good for the team long term? I can't believe anyone at the game yesterday was happy with his first 3 qtrs - not that he didn't kick goals but that he just didn't compete or do any of the team things. So does his talent excuse him from team things, do we allow him to do as he pleases because he can kick goals? Were you actually happy with his whole game yesterday. If any other player dished up a first half like that would you say that's okay?


What a boring world it would be if we were all the same. Accept the fact that Fev is a flawed genius and move on. FFS, he won a Coleman in an ordinary side. He's paid to kick goals....he kicks them. I know I'd rather have Fev lighting up the G and dome kicking goals for us AND NOT AGAINST US. PS. How many other players would have had that decision reversed. Let's keep it in perspective. Just imagine he kicks his ton against the Hawks AND we win AND we sneak into to 8

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wasthesonofapreacherman wrote:
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Judd - the after-burners are back. +90% fit for mine.

For the first time this year he slapped on pace for a 50m run and caught a Doggy flying. I turned to my mate with a smile and said, "HE'S BACK!" He had a roost from outside 50 too!

Did nobody else see this?


Couldn't have said it any different myself to my mate at the game, too!!!

He's 90% and is approaching 10 months since the adductor release - they say about 10 to 12 months before you get full movement back, and Juddy is not far away. Put a couple of hundred away for the brownlow for 09 when the odds come out for the 09 brownlow market.

Maybe a smokey for this year if he strings a few more BOG games!!!!



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gerry atric wrote:
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Garbage...he had a few shots that missed early in the game then stepped up to seal the win for us in the end....yes the reversal of the 50 was regrettable but I think his good yesterday more than made up for the bad, and Ratts even said so. His chasing was good, his conversion when it mattered was outstanding.

I'm so sick of all the Fev haters, who even after he plays a major role in a great win, continue with their ignorant rants about negative "body language" and other minor, inconsequential issues which they delight in over-exaggerating the impact of.

At the end of the day we pay him for KICKING GOALS to assist us in WINNING GAMES - both of which materialised yesterday. For you to say he is not interested in one percenters is indicative of the amount of notice you must take of him on the field. And for you to pin the fact we were behind on him is so completely off the mark that it doesn't even deserve a response.

Great game from the Fev yesterday - we wouldn't have won without him.


As I said in the post Elroy, Fev is a phenomenal talent but too often he doesn't do the team things. I didn't mention the 50 meter penalty, it was actually his whole first 2 and a half qtrs. Best example was his half hearted chase on Hargrave that allowed the dogs to get the final goal of the half. That wasn't an isolated incident .

I was at the game and Fev just looked like he wasn't interested in trying until the last qtr, and even then he didn't bother to pick up an opponent when the dogs had the ball. He will always kick goals and be a star, he has super talent but he will never consistently do the team things. He sets a terrible example for the younger players and his behaviour wouldn't be tolerated in a side with stronger leadership.

Have a look at Judd's effort yesterday and tell me why we shouldn't expect Fev to try as hard as that all the time. If we accept that he can do whatever he wants on the field so long as he kicks goals, then is that good for the team long term? I can't believe anyone at the game yesterday was happy with his first 3 qtrs - not that he didn't kick goals but that he just didn't compete or do any of the team things. So does his talent excuse him from team things, do we allow him to do as he pleases because he can kick goals? Were you actually happy with his whole game yesterday. If any other player dished up a first half like that would you say that's okay?


He kicked 6.5 yesterday contributed highly to us winning, as he has done a number of times, has won a Coleman Medal, the Aylett Medal in the State Game with his 6 goals, A Michael Tuck Medal, and on target for not only pushing 100 goals this year but pushing close to 50 tackles as well. Many goals have been kicked from a Fev-created turnover this year. Rather than looking at what he doesn't do let's look at what he does do. Imagine being positive !!!! He'll frustrate, that's Fev and the media will build that perception with a magnifying glass, but the good will outweigh the bad by along way. Sometimes in life you can't have everything and you have to take the good with the bad. Be thankful for what we have got.


Well said jim

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Back in Beijing for this week's game.

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wasthesonofapreacherman wrote:
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Judd - the after-burners are back. +90% fit for mine.

For the first time this year he slapped on pace for a 50m run and caught a Doggy flying. I turned to my mate with a smile and said, "HE'S BACK!" He had a roost from outside 50 too!

Did nobody else see this?


I also was at the game and it was right in front of me, it wasn't just anyone either, it was Griffen, one of their quickest blokes who regularly speeds off and breaks packs. My mate, who is a Bulldogs supporter couldn't believe it, Griffen turned and seen Judd catching him and shit himself.


They can have him. He's finished.



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Fev's last goal in that footage, literally split the goal posts right down the middle. :shock:

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Fev's last goal in that footage, literally split the goal posts right down the middle. :shock:



If you notice it actually travelled in line with the central beam on the roof of the Telstra Dome. :-D


I should stop watching these "Carlton You Tube" videos during the day - the dry cleaning bills are becoming prohibitive. :P

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Fev's last goal in that footage, literally split the goal posts right down the middle. :shock:



If you notice it actually travelled in line with the central beam on the roof of the Telstra Dome. :-D


I should stop watching these "Carlton You Tube" videos during the day - the dry cleaning bills are becoming prohibitive. :P


I actually used the roof closing point as a guide Agro. :-D

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Fev's last goal in that footage, literally split the goal posts right down the middle. :shock:



If you notice it actually travelled in line with the central beam on the roof of the Telstra Dome. :-D


I should stop watching these "Carlton You Tube" videos during the day - the dry cleaning bills are becoming prohibitive. :P


I actually used the roof closing point as a guide Agro. :-D



Well it wasn't a Rock Hudson was it. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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AGRO wrote:
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Fev's last goal in that footage, literally split the goal posts right down the middle. :shock:



If you notice it actually travelled in line with the central beam on the roof of the Telstra Dome. :-D


I should stop watching these "Carlton You Tube" videos during the day - the dry cleaning bills are becoming prohibitive. :P


I actually used the roof closing point as a guide Agro. :-D



Well it wasn't a Rock Hudson was it. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I know given my age, that I should know what that means :oops: but I don't. :oops:

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