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Good post Bondi.

The question I've asked myself about Ratts is, if given the right tools (ie) players & playing group, will he have the rest of the skills required to take us forward & to me the answer is yes.

A big part of that for mine is he is a Carlton bloke first & foremost, it sounds like he has the respect & admiration of the young blokes (& hopefully most of the older ones too) & he has a young list that he, along with the assistants, can mould this team into what's required.

A Carlton team.

Another aspect about Ratts I like is his work ethic off the field (coaching) will most likely be the same work ethic he had playing - Tough & hard at it.

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Look im not saying he will or wont make it...
im not impressed so far....

he has his favourites and theyre obvious.

he also has a pretty good list even if its a tinge green....

i wouldnt come out and say "i trust ratts"... not because i wouldnt if i loaned him $20 to come back and pay me back.. he most likely would.. and i would...

... but the problem is his background in coaching is not really what i would consider adequate....

... secondly if he was knights wed be going to town on him right now...

... third .. my biggest beef is its a season gone and we havent addressed some massive deficiencies...we have gone in week in week out with cloke and kreuzer... and week in week out they get smashed in the game and physically...
.. our movement of the ball going forward is shithouse....and our forward structures are lame...

... and a big beef i have.......dropping some players.. and making others untouchable...

EVERYONE should be held to the same standards of staying in a team...

The regeneration of the list happened organically.. thats what hapens when you come last for a sustained period of time...

nothing to do with Ratten..




What Synbad is saying is this

Cloke is shit
Wiggins is shit
Russell is shit

and Ratten loves them and keeps playing them when

he should punt on Hampson etc

so Ratten's shine is rubbing off a touch


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Just because we can't see the reason why Ratts plays these 'shit' players, does not mean there isn't a reason.

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Synners - like hell we'd be going to town on Knights... with what reason/rationality?!

Anybody, ANYBODY who coached the Blues this year and saw at with a 7-7 record after 14 rounds - including Kermit the Frog - in a first full year coaching a team that finished second last, last year - would be happy.


Let's put it into perspective people. Coming off the bleakest period of our history, a new look team and game plan that has already shown more in rewards than the past 3 seasons combined.


And the season isn't even over yet.

Get a grip. Give Ratt's till this time next year before even remotely considering putting the blowtorch to him.

A 3-13 win loss might've been a different story, but Ratts has gotten the most out of a young team that are still trying to find their feet...


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keogh wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Look im not saying he will or wont make it...
im not impressed so far....

he has his favourites and theyre obvious.

he also has a pretty good list even if its a tinge green....

i wouldnt come out and say "i trust ratts"... not because i wouldnt if i loaned him $20 to come back and pay me back.. he most likely would.. and i would...

... but the problem is his background in coaching is not really what i would consider adequate....

... secondly if he was knights wed be going to town on him right now...

... third .. my biggest beef is its a season gone and we havent addressed some massive deficiencies...we have gone in week in week out with cloke and kreuzer... and week in week out they get smashed in the game and physically...
.. our movement of the ball going forward is shithouse....and our forward structures are lame...

... and a big beef i have.......dropping some players.. and making others untouchable...

EVERYONE should be held to the same standards of staying in a team...

The regeneration of the list happened organically.. thats what hapens when you come last for a sustained period of time...

nothing to do with Ratten..




What Synbad is saying is this

Cloke is shit
Wiggins is shit
Russell is shit

and Ratten loves them and keeps playing them when

he should punt on Hampson etc

so Ratten's shine is rubbing off a touch


No one (including Ratten) thinks Cloke is going to be our ruckman of the future but looking at the present he is currently a much better player than Hampson. Hampson dropped or didn't even touch 5 marks the last game he played, was monstered at ball ups and boundary throw ins and generally didn't seem to know what he was doing. To suggest that we would be looking at finals if we played Hampson is fairy land stuff. If however you believe that we should be playing Hampson because he would benefit from having every rookie mistake he makes scrutinized, or that he would benefit from being bashed up by the likes of Jolly and Charman, then that's fair enough.

IMO Russell is not shit and is actually good while Cloke and Wiggins both bust their arse for the side every week and deserve a bit more respect than that albeit that they have their weaknesses.

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Blues87 wrote:
keogh wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Look im not saying he will or wont make it...
im not impressed so far....

he has his favourites and theyre obvious.

he also has a pretty good list even if its a tinge green....

i wouldnt come out and say "i trust ratts"... not because i wouldnt if i loaned him $20 to come back and pay me back.. he most likely would.. and i would...

... but the problem is his background in coaching is not really what i would consider adequate....

... secondly if he was knights wed be going to town on him right now...

... third .. my biggest beef is its a season gone and we havent addressed some massive deficiencies...we have gone in week in week out with cloke and kreuzer... and week in week out they get smashed in the game and physically...
.. our movement of the ball going forward is shithouse....and our forward structures are lame...

... and a big beef i have.......dropping some players.. and making others untouchable...

EVERYONE should be held to the same standards of staying in a team...

The regeneration of the list happened organically.. thats what hapens when you come last for a sustained period of time...

nothing to do with Ratten..




What Synbad is saying is this

Cloke is shit
Wiggins is shit
Russell is shit

and Ratten loves them and keeps playing them when

he should punt on Hampson etc

so Ratten's shine is rubbing off a touch


No one (including Ratten) thinks Cloke is going to be our ruckman of the future but looking at the present he is currently a much better player than Hampson. Hampson dropped or didn't even touch 5 marks the last game he played, was monstered at ball ups and boundary throw ins and generally didn't seem to know what he was doing. To suggest that we would be looking at finals if we played Hampson is fairy land stuff. If however you believe that we should be playing Hampson because he would benefit from having every rookie mistake he makes scrutinized, or that he would benefit from being bashed up by the likes of Jolly and Charman, then that's fair enough.

IMO Russell is not shit and is actually good while Cloke and Wiggins both bust their arse for the side every week and deserve a bit more respect than that albeit that they have their weaknesses.


Very well stated Blue87.

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No one (including Ratten) thinks Cloke is going to be our ruckman of the future but looking at the present he is currently a much better player than Hampson. Hampson dropped or didn't even touch 5 marks the last game he played, was monstered at ball ups and boundary throw ins and generally didn't seem to know what he was doing. To suggest that we would be looking at finals if we played Hampson is fairy land stuff. If however you believe that we should be playing Hampson because he would benefit from having every rookie mistake he makes scrutinized, or that he would benefit from being bashed up by the likes of Jolly and Charman, then that's fair enough.

IMO Russell is not shit and is actually good while Cloke and Wiggins both bust their arse for the side every week and deserve a bit more respect than that albeit that they have their weaknesses.


Agree Blues87, team selections are based on many things and playing favourites is not one of them.

I can just see it now..... the MC say "cmon Ratts JR has had a fair go, what about Pfieff?"

Ratts "aww nah he's me favourite blues player, I just want him in the side- (plus he's got some dirt on me :wink: )"


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Wiggins and Russell have very little awareness and panic when they have the ball or are about to get it and are terrible kicks.


Yep Russell kept the irishman quiet. Yes Wiggo gives us grunt.
They also contributed one goal between them and were permanent forwards


143 games between them. Personally my patience is wearing thin



Cloke is not a ruckman



I agree that in the games he has played Hampson has been monstered but we cant say how much he would have improved if he was playing every game


We do know that Cloke aint a ruckman is too short for a ruckman and gets beaten every week in that position and has reached his potential


Hampson hasnt reached his potential.


I have been saying for months that Hampson and Jacobs should be tag teaming in the seniors

They arnt ready I agree but its the best alternative and there may be suprising bonuses


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You cannot afford to have two almost permanent half forwards who give you a total of less than 20 goals in a season between them no matter how good they are defensively.

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keogh wrote:
Wiggins and Russell have very little awareness and panic when they have the ball or are about to get it and are terrible kicks.


Yep Russell kept the irishman quiet. Yes Wiggo gives us grunt.
They also contributed one goal between them and were permanent forwards


143 games between them. Personally my patience is wearing thin



Cloke is not a ruckman



I agree that in the games he has played Hampson has been monstered but we cant say how much he would have improved if he was playing every game


We do know that Cloke aint a ruckman is too short for a ruckman and gets beaten every week in that position and has reached his potential


Hampson hasnt reached his potential.


I have been saying for months that Hampson and Jacobs should be tag teaming in the seniors

They arnt ready I agree but its the best alternative and there may be suprising bonuses


I agree totally.

We seem to cling on to little bits of hope with some of these players, the fact is they are not up to it.


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We all know that we have too many players on the list that aren't up to standard . That can only be fixed by the MC being ruthless in the next couple of seasons , and some very astute recruiting . I think we now have the people in place that can do this . Ratts is doing a good job with the players he has to work with . The same amount of improvement , and good recruiting could see in top 8 next year . From then on , we hopefully will be able to go all the way . Say 2010 --- 2011 . [ then the sky's the limit ] .


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bondiblue wrote:
Ratts has a footy brain

2008 is a development year; we were never playing this year to win the flag.


So thats why wiggo, banno, houla, bentick and fisher got games..... makes sense now!!!


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I dont understand why they do not give Pfeiffer a go.....

Why bother recruiting someone and not giving them a go......

His disposal is no worse than carazzos, russells, benticks etc

At least he gives us hardness and can kick a nice goal.


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Some of you really need to take off those navy blue coloured glasses and take a good hard look at our style of play, lack of setups and lack of game plan.

The improvement of this club has nothing to do with Brett Ratten.

It's come from the inclusion of Chris Judd and Nick Stevens in 2008 and the fortunate talent we picked up being such a shite house club for many years

Honestly ask your self how many games would we have won if we remove chris judd.

Both the Tigers and Bombers will finish above us at the end of 2008. Both teams don't have the benfit of having Chris Judd lining up for them, nor 3 number 1 draft picks

And as much as i hate to say this you watch the Tigers and bombers game last week both teams have structure, set ups, set plays and direction. Our game plan is based around juddy to get it to Fev.


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Fevola wrote:
I dont understand why they do not give Pfeiffer a go.....

Why bother recruiting someone and not giving them a go......

His disposal is no worse than carazzos, russells, benticks etc

At least he gives us hardness and can kick a nice goal.


Cause pfft!er is no good. Simple as that

He has to have a cracking preseason and get himself in the best condition possible or he got no chance of getting a chance in 2009


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What so Russell or Bentick is better than Pfeiffer ?

Bull crap Melvey!! Seriously you got no idea mate.........


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Melvey wrote:
Some of you really need to take off those navy blue coloured glasses and take a good hard look at our style of play, lack of setups and lack of game plan.

The improvement of this club has nothing to do with Brett Ratten.

It's come from the inclusion of Chris Judd and Nick Stevens in 2008 and the fortunate talent we picked up being such a shite house club for many years

Honestly ask your self how many games would we have won if we remove chris judd.

Both the Tigers and Bombers will finish above us at the end of 2008. Both teams don't have the benfit of having Chris Judd lining up for them, nor 3 number 1 draft picks

And as much as i hate to say this you watch the Tigers and bombers game last week both teams have structure, set ups, set plays and direction. Our game plan is based around juddy to get it to Fev.


Why should Carlton supporters take off the navy blue glasses? Perhaps we should put on black and red or black and yellow glasses instead?

The fact we BEAT Richmond WITHOUT Judd means your argument falls flat on its face.


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Melvey wrote:
Some of you really need to take off those navy blue coloured glasses and take a good hard look at our style of play, lack of setups and lack of game plan.

The improvement of this club has nothing to do with Brett Ratten.

It's come from the inclusion of Chris Judd and Nick Stevens in 2008 and the fortunate talent we picked up being such a shite house club for many years

Honestly ask your self how many games would we have won if we remove chris judd.

Both the Tigers and Bombers will finish above us at the end of 2008. Both teams don't have the benfit of having Chris Judd lining up for them, nor 3 number 1 draft picks

And as much as i hate to say this you watch the Tigers and bombers game last week both teams have structure, set ups, set plays and direction. Our game plan is based around juddy to get it to Fev.


Really?

Our wins have had nothing to do with ratts and the coaching staff?

Please Melvey keep it up mate :oops:

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Fevola wrote:
What so Russell or Bentick is better than Pfeiffer ?

Bull crap Melvey!! Seriously you got no idea mate.........




Can't believe im saying this but Bentick is a better footballer than Pfeiffer no doubt about that. YOU HAVE NO FRIGGIN IDEA

Russel has far more upside than Pfeiffer. Has the leg speed, the tank, good size to be a handy player.

Pfeiffer is lazy. Only goes in for it when he is on the contest. Doesn't work hard enough off the ball and is not fit enough


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lily of laguna wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Some of you really need to take off those navy blue coloured glasses and take a good hard look at our style of play, lack of setups and lack of game plan.

The improvement of this club has nothing to do with Brett Ratten.

It's come from the inclusion of Chris Judd and Nick Stevens in 2008 and the fortunate talent we picked up being such a shite house club for many years

Honestly ask your self how many games would we have won if we remove chris judd.

Both the Tigers and Bombers will finish above us at the end of 2008. Both teams don't have the benfit of having Chris Judd lining up for them, nor 3 number 1 draft picks

And as much as i hate to say this you watch the Tigers and bombers game last week both teams have structure, set ups, set plays and direction. Our game plan is based around juddy to get it to Fev.


Really?

Our wins have had nothing to do with ratts and the coaching staff?


Nope. Chris Judd got us over the line.

Bryce Gibbs was always going to be a gun. So to Marc Murphy

Stevo comes back from injury

3 number 1 draft picks. 5 top 10 picks and chris judd

there are some others on here who share the same view but i don't see you attacking them like you do me.


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