Which of our players are doing that?

Gee Verbs, I thought that would of been obvious! Even for you.

No. Which ones are doing that?

Just because you don't know what's going on doesn't mean our players have no idea. That's your problem not theirs.

Perhaps watch a few games a little closer?

Shaun Grigg - What posi does he play??

Jordan Russel - Used all over the ground

Kade Simpson - Has not one position which works either way

Cameron Cloke - in the ruck, CHF, FF

Setanta O'hailpin - was played forward then moved back

Brett Thornton - should be the lose man in defense and the play maker off half back but just does not run hard enough

take your hand off it mate.

Shaun Grigg - What posi does he play??

Jordan Russel - Used all over the ground

Kade Simpson - Has not one position which works either way

Cameron Cloke - in the ruck, CHF, FF

Setanta O'hailpin - was played forward then moved back

Brett Thornton - should be the lose man in defense and the play maker off half back but just does not run hard enough

Wiggins

Kruezer

Fisher

Scotland

Stevens

Gibbs

Murphy

I'm not surprised you think all those players are running around like headless chooks. That's par for the course with you. I'm afraid just because you think that (amongst all your other whacky thoughts) it doesn't actually make it true.

I'm not surprised you think all those players are running around like headless chooks. That's par for the course with you. I'm afraid just because you think that (amongst all your other whacky thoughts) it doesn't actually make it true.

griggs - run with and often thrown into the middle in the last - clearances - he's had an excellent development year

Gibbs - yes his last month has been headless chook of elephantine proportions!

are you saying all those players run around like headless chooks or are you saying they play different roles depending on match ups etc.

I would have thought flexibility is a key for players today

Fair go, this is a FIRST year coach you are talking about. Nobody is perfect and you want him out after 3/4 of a season (where we have been much better than last year).

The backline is looking the goods with Ratts allowing Jamison, Bower, Setants, Browne, Anderson and Austin to develop. I'd say its better than getting Mick Martyn in.

The natural development is a large factor - however Gibbs credits alot of his new form to Greg Williams tutoring him. Something Ratts initiated.

This is not a team that has been together for 5 years like geelong. They effectively came together at the end of last year, it will take time.

As far as investing in the future he has put in Austin and Hartlett, whilst all our rookies have featured this year. Hey, I would like Kennedy in the team too - but I would like Judd a sh!tload more.

Not only that, he has got all the players behind him. They are not having secret meetings trying to sack him.

How is Matty Knights going?? What about Dean Bailey??? I'd say ratts is doing better than them. Really, what do you think any other coach could have done better this year (keeping in mind they also don't have hindsight)

He isn't under the pump - hell, last week we lost to sydney by 2 points!! whilst playing the kids when sydney usually flog the crap out of us.

Melvey to even post that your questioning Ratts' ability im dumbfounded. Ratts is the best first yr performing coach in the afl.

Our defence was in shambles last year, atleast this year it has looked structured at times and getn games into jamo, bower, thornton etc and working as a unit, we showed so much promise early on.

Knights is rubbish, Essendon* have an established fwd line of lucas and lloyd and a established ruck of hille, who is in my opinion vying for AA honours alongside cox and jolly. When these 2 were injured, we had tipped the bummers for a spoon, they were a rabble.

Secondly, melb has only showed signs of improvement resently since the club has been brang together by the assistance of Jim stynes, they are simply playing on passion more than anything else.


Our group will come together, we've had injuries which have cost us in some areas but i believe we are getn their. I rate russell, hell learn, and austin will come to terms with the game as he gets more into him and hartlett just needs to be given a go imo.

Ratts has unified our footy club and has brang in our old stars to work with our young boys and it is paying dividends ie gibbsy.

Keep it up ratts. you are a superstar

The Carlton of today compared to the Carlton of 12 months ago are worlds apart, for the better. Some of that has to do with Ratten.

I think some of our supporters' expectations are too low after the past 6 years and we are too easily satisfied (unlike the Carlton of old).

But are they apart enough? That is the big question.

Have we made enough progress or are our expectations simply too low? People saying "but we are better than last year", like hell we are better! We had to be, last year was an absolute disaster under Pagan. We've got new development coaches, new fitness staff and helluva lot more facilities to improve. Don't compare to last year, otherwise Ratts would've been sacked.

Don't forget we have added Judd and Stevens from last year + Murphy and Gibbs' natural progression being outstanding + Fevola uninjured for most of the year + like I said earlier new facilities and a lot more staff.

Is it enough to get just 3 more wins despite after adding all the above (just ONE more than Essendon* and same as last year's wooden spoonersor should we be demanding more??

I think some of our supporters' expectations are too low after the past 6 years and we are too easily satisfied (unlike the Carlton of old).

But are they apart enough? That is the big question.

Have we made enough progress or are our expectations simply too low? People saying "but we are better than last year", like hell we are better! We had to be, last year was an absolute disaster under Pagan. We've got new development coaches, new fitness staff and helluva lot more facilities to improve. Don't compare to last year, otherwise Ratts would've been sacked.

Don't forget we have added Judd and Stevens from last year + Murphy and Gibbs' natural progression being outstanding + Fevola uninjured for most of the year + like I said earlier new facilities and a lot more staff.

Is it enough to get just 3 more wins despite after adding all the above (just ONE more than Essendon* and same as last year's wooden spoonersor should we be demanding more??

I think some of our supporters' expectations are too low after the past 6 years and we are too easily satisfied (unlike the Carlton of old).