Not a huge fan of Stevens but I have to agree with Dr Sherrin. We were struggling for midfield rotations in the last qtr yet Stevens was left in a back pocket. Just didn't make sense.

I can tell you that he wasn't happy after the game as where several other players. There were some heavy discussions going on amongst the playing group.

Wow ... all this after one game. Hope he plays well next week.

Judd doesn't play close to his opponent, neither does Murph. They roll the dice, sometimes they'll get burnt ... we're backing them that they'll come out on top more often than not.

Stevo didn't play well, didn't run hard enough today. He should not be dropped. Thankfully the MC will decide that, nobody here.

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The bloopers reel on the other hand is up to a full game now.

We were beaten by a team that's stacked full of 100+ players. Stevo was okay>ordinary.

Our youth cost us a few goals that they'll "learn from". Others who should be capable at this stage of the careers failed the test when the heat was on.

You're only as strong as your weakest link.

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Gee the mc will decide, well go figure so umm what we should do here, umm talk about clothing? no wait, lets talk about the weather...

as for after 1 game - ummm no, after a few seasons actually but you know thats okay, you limit the discussions to a weekly basis - that's sound.

Me, I'm just curious, can stevo be better - or do you think that's it. He can't improve, so no use trying?

as for comparisons to Judd, vastly different players and that's the issue really, I'd be happy for stevo to roll the die but when they don't come up to run hard to get another roll.

you see I was very happy with the effort today. Swans are a top 4 side. So we are improving - soon we will be challenging. When that time comes i do not want to waste it. I want a real crack at the flag.

some worry the weakness is Ratts.

Some Fev

Some JR/Harts/etc

really we are all just wondering, you know, without ever thinking someone will ring us up and say ' hey. what dop you think we should do?' 'cept for deano - he sits by that phone.

it's called a discussion... try it sometime.

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very true

or - you are only as strong as the weakest links of your team play - you know that old adage - a champion team etc, etc... I'm wondering - what makes a champion team?

and, can we get better doing that?

and if so - how?

and I just, you know, thought about stevo and the aspects of his game that piss me off and I got to wondering...how would i try to improve that, because he offers so much the other way

and I do not think Stevo was back because Ratts had forgotten about him

so why

and I also thought it was wasteful, so how to help stevo so we don'lt have him going back there...is there a better way?

Maybe not. Maybe this is all we get.

If so... is that okay?

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I'm not sure if you know this DB, but I'm a Stevo fan; keogh knows it.

Nevetheless, I don't have a problem with your argument; it makes sense to me. I do not find anything radical or ridiculous in your suggestion. It should do him more good than bad given he has another 2 years after 2008.

There's nothing like pressure coming from the twos, and what better way to prove there's pressure on players than be replaced from someone playing in the twos the week before.

It's time to send the message of development (not tanking) and remind the senior listed players that there's kids after their spots who will take them regardless of the security a contract brings in terms of income.

Stevo was very ordinary this week, and last week too; he wasn't alone. I think Carrazzo would have been bettr in the middle than Stevo at getting the ball, and Browne and Armfield would have been better than Carrazzo in defense.

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I'm a fan too - that's the point really. I think now the focus should be fully on development of all players, not just the kids. We have a few weeks to stress what we want for next year, then a break, then come back and away we go.

I reckon finals next year - and I'd like to make a good fist of 'em.

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Hey

Drop him

Effort totally unacceptable

Team comes before the individual

Even for AGraders

agree stevo did not have the best day

but mvp leaderboard shows votes in 10 out of 16 matches.

consistent year from stevo and he is the best kick in the team

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Judd.

A-grader.




Ineffective.



Drop him!?

Nope

Has a crack
Gets his hands dirty
No point Stevo using the soap after the game

As I said

Omit him and show the MC he can improve the defensive side of his game

If you accept that effort from any player its bad by the club


No ifs

No Buts

he was played out of position, plenty to look at before Stevo, starting with everyones 'favourite' Wiggo.

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was he played out of position?

why was that?

Are our coaching guys so hopeless they lose sight of players, they umm forgot about stevo or maybe they thought 'we'll fix that next quarter?'

or maybe there was a reason for that positioning?

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Played in defence in the last quarter because Ablett was in front of him at every ballup and centre bounce and Stevens did nothing about it

With Jlly and Spider winning nearly every hitout Stevens didnt get near it.

Thats why he was moved

Stevens was poor today. I could count on one hand the number of times he ran flatout for longer than 10yards. Spent the majority of the game either standing still, walking or jogging half pace. In first half, he chose not to run to contests - that wasn't the coaches move, it was the players choice. In the 2nd half, he spent quite a bit of time down back.

When he was in the centre square at restarts, his intensity was mediocre to say the least - was like we had 3 players in there instead of 4. Very ordinary performance Stevo today. I expect more from players on 500k salary - I'd rather Carazzo given a gig back in the midfield.

OK DB , let's walk it thru a little more then.

Firstly, you're saying that it's not today's game. It's Stevo's game in general that you want to change by dropping him. Which means that you're expecting to drop Stevo and change his style of play over his 10 year playing career by doing so. OK ... could work right? When we got Stevo, we already knew what we got.

The young side that sits around Stevo (VC), what do we teach them with this radical move? That you can't not be defensive? That it is not ok to take risks? That you can't have a poor game? You'll be dropped? Exactly the opposite of what CFC needs to teach this team moving forward.

Stevo had a bad game today. His lack of effort defensively and to run into space when we were coming out of defence was poor. Disagree that this is every game he plays, nor the majority.

IMO, dropping a player of his seniority in a young list could change the way younger players view their game. It won't change his game around as much as a talk from the Leadership group, his peers in demanding more effort.

Stevo stood up when there was no Judd, that's credit in the bank. There's several other players in the team that could learn a lesson from dropping who are running in debit.

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Perhaps Stevo doesn't like not be the big kahuna anymore in our midfield.

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Stevo is a class player and we need him in the side. Sure he can be unaccountable and "soft" at times (like today) however its the experienced players with the poor skills that frustrate the hell out of me i.e. Bentick, Carazzo, Fisher, Wiggins and Cloke.

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I said this a long time ago and i actually got banned... You cant play one good game ( Vs Richmond ) and then drop off completely the next 2 weeks.... he just cant work his way through a tag...

Its not about the amount of touches he gets to me, its about the fact he doesnt chase, he doesnt lay tackles, he doesnt put his body on the line.... SEE KADE SIMPSON on all the above.
Id have Simpson any day of the week before Neck Stevens... Simpson doesnt have the skills of Neck, but what he does is lay tackles, smothers, competes and runs hard

PROVE ME WRONG NECK!

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