I think a few of us agree with you 17th.
As good as Kerr & Brown are, we do not want to sell the farm for a 2nd time, especially with the sound of this years top 20-25.

Surrey and TBM, appreciate what you are saying but I guess it's the way the challenges were communicated that is of interest i.e. were the challenges made with the boys' and club's genuine interest at heart, or were these negative put-downs disguised as challenges

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Hmm, think you guys missed the point, if this is really inside info from the club (and I am not disputing that point) then it's a disappointing way to communicate to Carlos and his family and the supporters the clubs opinion of him.

I don't he was Robinson Crusoe with his performance last week going by the score line, why single him out? At the risk of starting another 70 page thread was his performance any worse than Fev's?

The facts are great, but the speculation should be posted in another thread, that's my opinion anyway.

So is Mark Austin definately playing on sunday?

Mate they have been issues with Setanta since his very first day. Doesn't listen to the professionals, has been told many times to relax.

Melvey he was treated like a megastar by the previous and with kid gloves. A lot of his teamates have/had enough. The new players removed the gloves and he hasn't stopped sooking. Bye, bye .

So SB, you'd be in the 'get rid of Fev' camp I presume.

I actually think if players aren't developing you have a look at your experienced development staff and your experienced reserves coaches...Oops they are the same guys and neither has any experience. Whatever else needs to happen at the club we need outsiders with experience in development and Ants coaching. No more jobs for the boys. If either or both of Lapp and Teague have potential keep them in one role with an experienced mentor. These appointments, with no experience and both doing 3 jobs is absurd and part of the bad old days.

Kreuzer could do with a rest in comes Hammo
Wiggo should make way for Pfeiffer and
Harts and Austin in for Browne and Anderson

Sounds like Setanta and Fev have a lot in common.

Hampson and Pfeiffer won't play this week. Hampson needs to put another good game together in the Ant's and they will then give him another go.

I wouldn't mind seeing Pfeiffer get a game, but I think he will be one to miss out.

I don't reckon they will rest Kreuzer this week (they had a week off the weekend before last), but they may rest him for another game before the year is out.

Hammer, Pfeiffer, and Hartlett (or maybe Edwards) to miss out I think at this stage. Might know more after training tomorrow...

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Agree with this - get the best, not our best mates. But we have these guys in those posts now, so lets focus on their duties to US. If there have been issues in the past, why can't people sit down, clear the air, forgive and move on? Its not Setanta's (and Aisake's) responsibility to the club to do this on his own - it takes all sides, and that includes the senior coach and the leadership group among the players (I'm lookin straight at our messiah here - this is part of a captain's job), as well as Lappin and Teague.

Setanta and Aisake are still young kids - they get hot under the collar, no doubt. We are paying Ratts, Lappin, Teague and others to manage all the personalities at the club and get the best out of them. If they can't do that with a guy who has crossed oceans, given up guranteed idolisation in his hiome country, abstained from the drink and drugs, trained his heart out and gives a real dip each week (we are not talking about an Angwin type here), then I am going to lay some blame at their door. If any of those guys are any good in their roles then they will see that petty disagreements and past flare-ups do not trump getting our best team out on the park. If they need to reign in their egos and give Setanta a big metaphorical hug, then that is their duty as employees of OUR club.

Very intersting post. Worried club is on wrong track with some of the trae talk here, though suppose they have to at least consider all options.

Don't think we need a ruckman so badly. Do not want to trade for yet another hack. How many would that be over the last siz or seven years!

We need a KPP forward. But I don't want Brown - too old and too injury prone. Will have to go for a KPP in this years draft - have heard it is a good one for KPPs.

We don't need Kerr (we have one of the best midfields in the comp and it will get better and better as our guys get older). And I really don't want Kerr - not the right ethos - too much bad history of drugs, punch ups, etc. That's not the culture we want to build at Carlton. I suspect Judd left the weagles in part to get away from all that, so not sure he would really want to see Kerr around either.

Sad news about Setanta - suspect you are right - its a waste - see my previous post.

yeah, agree with most points here 17th, but i, for mine, would look into Brogan. i reckon he only has a couple of years left, which should coincide nicely with both H & K having their bodies fully developed for the ruck. He would also provide some muscle around a ruck contest, as we have been getting smashed in that area the last few games.

i think we dont need to get any more mid-age midfielders, we have a great crop coming through, and Stevo will last us for a bit longer. Kerr was trouble for WC in the last few years, we have enough of that with Fev.

never say no to Brown, though, would be handy in the backline!!!

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The exact quotes from the club with respect to Brown and Kerr was they are not pursuing these two but if they are available they would be "interested". Ruckmen is what they are after and Warnock is the first option.

With Setanta he was late to turn up for the Ant's game and I got the imp impression from the comments made by the club he needs to have very good six or seven weeks. This is sad because we need a big body backman.

Thanks for the clarification Lance. "Interested" is fine and appropriate. Doubt they would be really interested unless the "price" was very good and I suspect it won't be as many other clubs will be very interested.

On Setanta again, its sad. I acknowledge he may be shooting himself in the foot now with a poor attitude, but it is fixable surely. The air needs to be cleared, a clean break wth the past needs to be made. If he is shown some love and made to feel special and valued again, he would respond with good attitude. I don't care if that means he gets treated differently to other players - you need to tailor your techniques to the person to get the most out of them. Strikes me he needs emotional support badly from the powerful forces within the club (senior current players and ex players who are now coaches). If they get all high and mighty and deny him that, then everyone loses. Moreover, Carlton will be perceived badly in Ireland if we continue to stuff this up. That is bad news for future recruiting I would guess.

it just looks as if setant isnt getting the game time in the one's as he got last year so he has spat the dummy.


if true, poor form.


IF true.

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Thanks Lance3101, turning up late is different from having a bad game. He's not been named in the Bullants this week so I wonder if he's been suspended for a week for breaking team rules, or perhaps he's just injured.