Danny, if he is the heart and soul of the club, then we need an exorcist.

_________________
“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

To be honest I couldn't care about him pissing on walls... I'm just over his on field antics (like the Saints game) and his obvious greed to milk Carlton for everything he can. Hopefully our youngsters aren't that impressionable... cos we are [REDACTED] if they are and follow his path of contract negotiations.

If it got to the point of trading him, then you would definately not take the 3rd round pick... easily worht more than that, but if tahts all that was on offer, its either sign him or PSD.

Danny25, 3-5 years is a bit over the top, maybe a year/two at the most, a year is a long time in footy... and if we had a young KP forward or 2 to develop, with our midfield, probably be for the better as well.

_________________
The AFL equalisation policy (designed with StKilda firmly in mind) is the only reason they exist.

Not the same comparison. Those players need to go through contract re-newals and if Fev gets his way then others may follow suit.

By the way there is a lot of "going ons" at club level that is not reported in the media. Just because it is not reported in the media doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

_________________
Delulio is a member of TISM

what a lovely morning it is this morning...

....and that's what Fev thinks, which is where the problem starts. I couldn't care what he does whether he kicks 0.1 or 10.0 if we win.

He can kiss Joffa's arse in the carpark after the game for all I care, just as long as we win.

_________________
end of message

This thread is entertaining.

People are working themselves into hysterics, Fev-haters and Fev-lovers alike. What started as a simple discussion about Fev's contract negotiations now is full of intrigue, drama, betrayal and infidelity.

It's like watching a really bad B-Grade movie, the script is clichéd, the special effects are laughable and you know that the actors have all gone back to waiting on tables but you enjoy it for what it is, something that's so bad that it's awesome entertainment

Heh heh You're fuuuunnyyyy...

Wonder how the Jonothan Brown contract negotiation's going. Started before Fev's and still going.......greedy bastard !!! Sounds like a normal contract negotiation, likes Fev's. Big difference, Fev's creates a headline and given, for a change he's said nothing on the whole issue, until Saturday on MMM, the media had to speculate it all themselves and create a big circus. To make it worse most of the speculation has been BS creating a bad percerption. That percerption sucked the simple thinkers in.......yet again. If the media said bugger all, as in the case of Brown, we'd never know the difference from any other normal contract negotiation at the point of round 15. First time in his life Fev kept his mouth shut and he's in more trouble then he's ever been. Tells us something about people.

Also mostly right.

Spot on jim....you couldn't be more right !!!!!

Best post on this subject and said it all in a nutshell.

Difference between Fev and Brown is that Brown did not sit on the TFS panel while Hutchy was talking about an offer from Sydney, Fev sat there with a stupid smirk on his face and all he could come up with after he said "that sounds good" was "I'm not talking about my contract". He had the chance then to say that he wouldnt be leaving Carlton but he chose not to. He could have put an end to all this speculation there and then but weeks later it still has not been resolved. I'm not thinking that he will ask to be traded at the end of year.

Brown sat there and had the chance to say he wasn't leaving Brisbane a few weeks ago and didn't.

True, but Hutchy had not just broken a story about offers from other clubs, you cant tell me that Fev didnt know that was going to happen.

The voracity of Hutchy's story is a little under question though, with Sydney and Fev both vehemently denying it. If anything Fev's flippancy regarding the supposed Sydney offer gave it less weight than had he clammed up (IMO of course).
Brown on the other hand was very circumspect in his comments, being very careful not to say anything that would give away his intentions one way or the other.

I expect both to re-sign with their existing clubs FWIW.

Difference is that Brown has a fair few more credits in the bank, is a better player, does all the hard things all the time, has the go home factor,and he or his management have kept things under raps. (Who manages Fev - Larry, Curly and Moe?)

Brown was a dominant force in three flags while Fev was still pissing away his talent in the reserves and choosing when he would or wouldn't try. The main problem is that Fev is and will always be an immature kid. He is 27 and is unlikely to become more sensible or aware. He owes us a lot more than Brown does the Lions.

If Fev had Brown's head on his shoulders he would be a Carlton great, a member of the leadership group, and worth whatever he asked. Fev is a great talent and at the right price I'd keep him, but not at any price or at the expense of some of his talented young team mates.

His good is great, his bad is woeful and he is not going to get smarter or more mature at this stage. If he pulls his head in and stays, well and good. If he doesn't then I'd take Swans first two picks or first pick and Jude Bolton or a promising youngster (if they have any). We cannot ever again allow a David Allison situation, and if we lose a few on the way, in the long term we will be stronger.

Fev needs to decide whether he retires as a Carlton great who is very rich, or as a guy who used to play footy who is slightly richer. He also needs to learn that there is no 'look at me' in team. I have a feeling Greg Swan is getting pretty sick of having to be a kinda teacher.

I thought I was comparing the way Fev and Brown have handled questions regarding their contract negotiations, not their respective playing careers.

I agree with some of it.

He is good with the fans.
Kids do idolise him.
We _may_ go back 3 years without him.
He probably will sign the deal. He's painted himself into a corner.



I also don't agree with some of it.

If he were the heart and soul of the footy club, he'd play more for the club, and it would be less about him.
Maybe we should have traded him to Richmond a few years ago. The picks we got from that would have developed by now, and we would have had to learn to be a little less predictable than we are now.
McKinley to CFC would be ok, but he's more like a Fish who kicks better. We need another key target. Besides, WC isn't going to give McKinley or any other kid up for anything less than the keys to Raheen. They need kids far more than we do.
As for Kerr, he can crawl under a rock and flower himself. Don't want him.

_________________
"You're not gonna believe this. The guy killed 16 czechoslovakians. He was an interior decorator."

"His house looked like shit!"

Gerry I think they are managed by the same people

My main question is...

Do you think we can get this to 100 pages before Fev announces on TFS this Thursday he has re-signed with Carlton

_________________
Carlton - Nothing's changed
I still love you, oh, I still love you
Only slightly, only slightly less
Than I used to, my love