BB, you are normally pretty close.

Just to let you know I have been getting some info over the last couple of days consistently stating the following:

3 years.

550K first two years. 800K final year when a veteran.

Was offered last week and has not been changed and has been told that is final offer.

Be interesting to see what happens!

I'm not sure how much experience you have had on internet forums but you will find over time they need to be handled in a different way to real time conversations.

For starters the written word can be interpreted in many different ways depending on the perspective of the reader. You may read something as a personal attack that when written was actually an attack on a group of people. Yes even if your name is mentioned this can be the case. Just about every type of person imaginable is represented on a site like this, some better at expressing themselves than others.

The perspective of the poster can be widely varied as well.

People can post in a way only really intended for one other person (or a few in the know) to read (despite everyone being able to read it and form their own interpretation) while other times posts are meant for general dissection. So if you read a post meant for someone else as a general post your interpretation and others can be widely divergent. Vice versa goes for reading personal posts as general posts.

There are no hard and fast rules because some of the time you can never know for sure.

After a while you build up a wall of apathy and realise that things should never be taken too personally.

I've met dozens of TCers and they are all great Carlton supporters, even if we do argue.

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Cheers Mrs Cazz always the diplomat!

Not all of them.

Except for that Tyrant fella

He posts a bit on the other forum. He's good even if we disagree on the issue of Fev . Forum boards are never personal. If they ever do they can always be fixed by beer .

Cheers Jarusa, believe me when I say it is not taken personally. We are actually having a discussion this week on what can be interpreted on a forum and how people hide behind usernames be it good or bad.

I actually find the whole process quite enlightening and therapudic.

My measure of Fev has never been about goals - only application. If he chases and tackles well then he has had a good game regardless of the goals kicked. I've bagged Fev in games where he has kicked bags before for his selfish application. Equally, I've given Fev heaps of praise in games where he has only managed a goal or two. I'm not the only one who has done this either.

Goals kicked is a flawed measure of his worth/contribution to the team - its not just my opinion but the also the opinion of ALL his coaches (current and previous) as well as a fair few media scribes and footy experts.

Also just to point out that few FF's have had 95+% of I50 entries targeted to them throughout their career. If you disagree, then perhaps you would care to name a few players that had that level of opportunity.

We've won more games and been more competitive this year because we have improved as a team and ratten has been able to instill a sense of belief/positivity into the players (as opposed to the previous coach). Yes Fev has improved his goal output somewhat but to suggest that he is the reason why we are on the edges of the 8 is selling a fair few players short - surely even the fev worshippers like yourself would recognise that the addition of judd and stevens have been fairly significant to the team, not to mention the improved output of Murphy, Gibbs, Waite - the additions of jamison, bower etc - they have ALL contributed to the improved performance of the team.

Fev is but a minor aspect of the teams improved showing.

Typical Fev worshipper - they think the club revolves around the one player

GIBBS' contract ends in 2010 remember. We'll hopefully have quite a few young guns ready for a decent paypacket at that time so the likes of Fev Stevo Wiggo will have to be on less.

Hope you aren't an English lecturer.

you rang ?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Wiggins will be on teh Veteran's list by then...we can backend his millions.

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^^^ Eeeww!!!!!! Bride of Frankenstein!!

See, I didn't have to write anything and yet you automatically know that I think this post is crap .

Now, had I not put in the wink, you might have thought I was seriously taking a pot shot at Jars, but he knows I'm only joking .

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No, not a worshipper. Telling it like it is. He's an important part of out set-up as is Judd. Especially as we have no other KP forwards. Not as if we have someone to jump in and take his place. Not worshipping.........reality of the situation. Difficult??? Or does it need to be explained more simply?

The 95% + of entries also meant most of the defence congomerated around him too making life very tough. Despite that he's booted a bucketload of goals and won games for us. Desperate argument to knock him and support your argument. Think I explained it all pretty well the first time, don't need to do it again. Not rocket science to understand it. Sure you can do that. If you're not clever enough to do that then there's no hope.

The cynicism in me says that if his signing is right we'll hear about it not long after 9.30pm, Thursday night on Ch.9.

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According to you, one would think that no team has ever won a game without a dominant KP forward whereas this is clearly not the case.

At this stage in time we clearly need to develop our other forwards (not just KP ones). Unless we are able to reduce the 95+% entries to Fev, then we wont progress as a team regardless of whether fev kicks 100 or 150 goals etc. Our reliance on Fev is what holds us back as a team. Could you imagine what would happen if Fev was on track for 150+ goals but 1/2way through the season did a knee which caused him to miss the rest of the year? We'd be stuffed

The question is whether or not we can change the mindset of our players to not kick it to fev all the time (and that he doesnt demand the ball all the time). History suggests that we will have difficulties doing so. Combined withi his continual questionable application/temperment on field that makes him an expendable player in my book (judd on the otherhand has no such issues).

Whilst I'm happy to retain Fev as a player I dont want him to remain as our FF target that attracts all the I50 entries as this holds us back as a team. Rather, I'd play him as a permanant roaming CHF - in effect forcing our midfielders to kick to other forwards (and hence giving them the opportunity to develop as players) whilst still enabling Fev to remain as a dangerous option for goal due to his long kicking. The only problem here though is whether Fev has the fitness base to play such a role and as to whether he would accept this newer role in the team. To date there has been no indication that Fev can play this role consistently (though I'd love to be proved wrong).

In terms of goals kicked, its not rocket science - what is good for Fev (colemans etc) is not necessarily good for the club. If we can balance the two then we have done very well. If we cant balance the two then we need to look for a trade.

Despite my posting history I've always expected Fev to remain with the club (not just this season but the previous 7 or so years). Clubs largely operate on emotion, its the nature of sport. Few clubs would be willing to pull the trigger on trades that would generate a large emotional uproar amongst the supporters.

The only club that I can think of that has pulled such a trade would be the hawks/freo trade of croad (1st time around) which netted them luke hodge which ended up being a massive win for them - if anyone else can think of other similar trades feel free to mention them.

In summary of the waffle, I expect Fev to sign, though will be pleasantly surprised if he doesnt and we end up trading him because I think we can get a very good package of picks and players in return

The answer is to simply develop/recruit a forward who is good to very good at a minimum. Fev will then have a formidable team mate and will not have to carry the burden of getting us over the line.

At the minute he has no such team mate (Betts is not a KPP).