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DownUnderChick wrote:
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We have Waitey, Setanta and Carrazzo who consistently turn the ball over


And we'll be getting Andrew Walker back to massacre the ball off half back.


More BS - flower the vultures that come out of the wood work after a loss. :roll:


DUC, just wondering if you have immunity for personal/general attacks?


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budzy wrote:
DownUnderChick wrote:
Abaddon wrote:
Melvey wrote:
We have Waitey, Setanta and Carrazzo who consistently turn the ball over


And we'll be getting Andrew Walker back to massacre the ball off half back.


More BS - flower the vultures that come out of the wood work after a loss. :roll:


DUC, just wondering if you have immunity for personal/general attacks?


budzy, the guy hasn't played all year and we are lumping him in with his kicking style of 2007.

Let the guy play a few games before crucifying him.

No immunity here budzy, just tired of all the vitriol.

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DownUnderChick wrote:
budzy wrote:
DownUnderChick wrote:
Abaddon wrote:
Melvey wrote:
We have Waitey, Setanta and Carrazzo who consistently turn the ball over


And we'll be getting Andrew Walker back to massacre the ball off half back.


More BS - flower the vultures that come out of the wood work after a loss. :roll:


DUC, just wondering if you have immunity for personal/general attacks?


budzy, the guy hasn't played all year and we are lumping him in with his kicking style of 2007.

Let the guy play a few games before crucifying him.

No immunity here budzy, just tired of all the vitriol.


That's all you needed to say..


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Opinions please people, not personal attacks.

There is a Blue Report button if you have issues with anyone.


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Mrs Caz wrote:
Opinions please people, not personal attacks.

There is a Blue Report button if you have issues with anyone.


Noted Mrs C.

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We neeeeed Walker. We should've had him Friday, as we should've had Hammer and pfieffer.

For the rest if the year i want to see
In;
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Pfieffer
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Austin
Bower
Setanta

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Fish (not 100%)
Edwards (needs more time)

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Play Cornelius...oh sorry - I'm posting from 2009!


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Play Cornelius...oh sorry - I'm posting from 2009!


If we get him his nickname HAS to be 'Doc'.

Hope you get the reference. :wink:


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Cazzesman wrote:
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We have Waitey, Setanta and Carrazzo who consistently turn the ball over and Setanta making critical errors.


Setanta makes the occasional error but he very rarely turns it over by foot. As for the other tow.......... well they can let themselves down far to often at crucial times. Wait is very frustrating because at times he kicks very well then he has a brain fade and we get the sort of kick that didn't reach JR.

Regards Cazzesman

waite is improving - has become a lot more consistent this season and his brain fades less frequent - personally I'd play him as the primary FF though - waite has shown the ability to kick goals consistently before and his athleticism and unpredicatablity would draw many frees for holding, chopping arms etc.

Also agree that setantas disposal is generally quite good - he just looks bad when disposing of it as he seems to really concentrate on getting it right whereas other players will look more natural. His technique certainly works though.

In terms of the game against the saints - I thought the inside out kick by cloke at half back hurt the team more and was what killed our momentum. If waites kick had hit the target we were away (wiggins free on the wing) so it was a disposal error rather than brain fade. Clokes kick was a WTF moment.

Neither of their kicks were why we lost the game though - It was poor disposal/goal kicking earlier on in the game that did it - we should have been at least 4 goals ahead at quarter time


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1AW does have poor foot skills, so play him off half back or wing where they shouldn't hurt us as much.


we need our best users by foot running off half back. Why would you play him there

Look at the Hawks, Swans, Cats, Bulldogs they all have there best users by foot setting up play of half back


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DownUnderChick wrote:
budzy wrote:
DownUnderChick wrote:
Abaddon wrote:
Melvey wrote:
We have Waitey, Setanta and Carrazzo who consistently turn the ball over


And we'll be getting Andrew Walker back to massacre the ball off half back.


More BS - flower the vultures that come out of the wood work after a loss. :roll:


DUC, just wondering if you have immunity for personal/general attacks?


budzy, the guy hasn't played all year and we are lumping him in with his kicking style of 2007.

Let the guy play a few games before crucifying him.

No immunity here budzy, just tired of all the vitriol.


The boy has poor foot skills. Poor before he got injured, poor for all the years he been playing for the navy blue.

no one is basing this over his 3 games for the bullants. Its common knowledge DUC


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Melvey wrote:
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1AW does have poor foot skills, so play him off half back or wing where they shouldn't hurt us as much.


we need our best users by foot running off half back. Why would you play him there

Look at the Hawks, Swans, Cats, Bulldogs they all have there best users by foot setting up play of half back


Wojo struggled with the cats early. Cats fans hated him because butchered the ball off half back.
A season or two later he is the goto man out of the backline. A bit of confidence, a team and gameplan that evolved to create more space around targets and all of a sudden it all came together.

Playing stagnate and trying to pinpoint passes amongst clusters and floods make any players skills look bad. Even Murphy is getting critisised.

As our players get stronger, faster, confident and dashing you will find the skills will be a lot better.

Walkers dash and line breaking will be very handy for our team. The handpassing modern game will also help 1AW play to his strengths.

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Melvey wrote:
DownUnderChick wrote:
budzy wrote:
DownUnderChick wrote:
Abaddon wrote:
Melvey wrote:
We have Waitey, Setanta and Carrazzo who consistently turn the ball over


And we'll be getting Andrew Walker back to massacre the ball off half back.


More BS - flower the vultures that come out of the wood work after a loss. :roll:


DUC, just wondering if you have immunity for personal/general attacks?


budzy, the guy hasn't played all year and we are lumping him in with his kicking style of 2007.

Let the guy play a few games before crucifying him.

No immunity here budzy, just tired of all the vitriol.


The boy has poor foot skills. Poor before he got injured, poor for all the years he been playing for the navy blue.

no one is basing this over his 3 games for the bullants. Its common knowledge DUC


So by that reckoning, Tex should be carted off somewhere because correct kicking skills cannot be learnt at this late stage.

Is that what you are saying Melvin, that in the 14 weeks that Tex hasn't played, he hasn't improved and worked on his kicking style at all?

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4thchicken wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Melvey wrote:

We have Waitey, Setanta and Carrazzo who consistently turn the ball over and Setanta making critical errors.


Setanta makes the occasional error but he very rarely turns it over by foot. As for the other tow.......... well they can let themselves down far to often at crucial times. Wait is very frustrating because at times he kicks very well then he has a brain fade and we get the sort of kick that didn't reach JR.

Regards Cazzesman

waite is improving - has become a lot more consistent this season and his brain fades less frequent - personally I'd play him as the primary FF though - waite has shown the ability to kick goals consistently before and his athleticism and unpredicatablity would draw many frees for holding, chopping arms etc.

Also agree that setantas disposal is generally quite good - he just looks bad when disposing of it as he seems to really concentrate on getting it right whereas other players will look more natural. His technique certainly works though.

In terms of the game against the saints - I thought the inside out kick by cloke at half back hurt the team more and was what killed our momentum. If waites kick had hit the target we were away (wiggins free on the wing) so it was a disposal error rather than brain fade. Clokes kick was a WTF moment.

Neither of their kicks were why we lost the game though - It was poor disposal/goal kicking earlier on in the game that did it - we should have been at least 4 goals ahead at quarter time


Now that's not a bad idea. I like that. Good logic too. Fev at CHF. :-D


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Only problem is that you would only be able to play Fev for two quarters at the most at CHF (which is not a bad thing),

No way in hell he could play a full game at CHF.

I'd love to se him played out there, he would be much more effective (he is a brilliant field kick).

He would kick 40-50 and give away 30-40 from CHF.

Only problem is he needs the tank.

If we want him CHF, cordy needs to get a lot of miles into him pre season next year and he needs to finish mid-place in the time trials not last like he usually does.

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A few observations

Regulars
Russell
Cloke
Wiggins
Bentick

Are IMO not up to it and have had enough time to show it

I reckon the first 3 I can mount a strong enough case for that

Bentick is a great tackler and gutsy but is too slow and too poor a kick and he wont get better at both particularly in the pace department.
Pace and kicking are really important in the modern game as opposed to 30 years ago . They were important then too just not as much


Carrazzo aint a defender. Scroll through this site or go to a game and see for yourself.Some players are limited. Carrazzo is one . Because he is not a penetrating player his only position is on the ball where he would get it more than Bentick and and be more creative with his handball

Browne and or Armfield become small defenders. Browne is a good kick.He will only get better.


The forward line is a problem.
Fisher is a liabiltiy because he is slow and anywhere over 40 m is a struggle.
At the moment he is the secong forward and he aint good enough.
He really cant play anywhere else because of his kicking and lack of pace.


Hartlett needs another crack but I have serious doubts about the effort he puts in and he is so injury prone

Walker is suited to an attacking roll.
I reckon his kicking is poor and will always be so but he can kick goals.

He provides another marking option.


Betts has been good but another small forward would be a bonus

I have high hopes that Joseph can be elevated to do that roll. FArom what I have seen he is a talent and is a naturally smart footballer with pace to burn and a knack for snagging goals.



The rucks are a problem

As said before play Hampson and elevate Jacobs

Give the Kreuz a rest or play him forward where he hasnt played enough and where he looked so good against Port


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A few other things

Waite is wasted in defence
Play him wing forward
Edwards has great hands is quick
needs to improve his kicking

We need a Gilbee type at half back

We dont have one

Hughes needs to pick a kid who is a exceptional kick

There is a spot for Carlos down back on the big mothers


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Melvey wrote:
Sticks4 wrote:
1AW does have poor foot skills, so play him off half back or wing where they shouldn't hurt us as much.


we need our best users by foot running off half back. Why would you play him there

Look at the Hawks, Swans, Cats, Bulldogs they all have there best users by foot setting up play of half back


Hi Melvey...as I said in my post, Walker can win the ball, which is more than half the battle. With his pace, he can then run through a line & pass to a forward leading into space or a pack. You shouldn't need precise or exquisite skills to do this.

However, possessions in the backline do require precise skill & decision making, otherwise turnovers will lead to goals, as we saw against the Saints. Carrazzo has been an example of this all year & shouldn't be played deep in the backline.


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The Duke wrote:
We neeeeed Walker. We should've had him Friday, as we should've had Hammer and pfieffer.

For the rest if the year i want to see
In;
Walker
Pfieffer
Hammer
Austin
Bower
Setanta

Out;
Russell
Browne
Fish (not 100%)
Edwards (needs more time)


Why drop Browne, i would think give him more game time to mature him as much as possible for next season.

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