Those were the days BB.

Sadly, they are no longer here.

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..lookit, Fev was a first class drongo at times.. ..the team's problem is it's reliance of him.. ..without a 2nd target in the forward line we're buggered.. ..Harts can't be relied upon to withstand the game, and hasn't really shown much.. ..either way, inexperienced kids aren't gonna help Fev..

..Waite, he's not suitable for CHB, and too useful to be wasted as a floating loose man in defence.. ..he can however be the 2nd forward target.. ..opponents can't afford to zone off him, and he's got the experience and instincts for a forward.. ..moving waite forward stops betts from being a leap up target and leaves him deep to crumb.. ..fisher can also stay deeper..

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I reckon Waite is more dangerous forward than back. His crash and bash style suits the forward line, he is athletic and dangerous. Opposition clubs would surely find him a handfull.

I reckon he should create pressure in the forward line and keep the ball in as well.

Bite the bullett ratts and keep him there to support Fev. I would also love Gibbs to rest forward as well.

It was Pagan who first indicated Waite would be played as a defender.

In a period of 48 games through 2005 to mid 2007 Waite kicked 76 goals. That equates to a 35 goals a 22 game season.

35 goals is not that bad. I reckon his goal kicking has improved since then, it was pretty bad back then.

Its not only the goals, its how he takes a good defender on him. I reckon he is difficult to match up on. I also think he can create an example of forward pressure......

At the moment, the opposition dont care as they match Fev and thats it, they have no-one else to worry about.

..not thrilling, but we've improved as a team since then, i reckon he could get 50 if left up forward for the full season..

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35 is a good return. 50 would be great. I reckon he'd be a good chance for a few 40-50 goal seasons if he was given a full-time role at CHF.

Good post and I agree.

I've been saying for ages that whilst I respect the MC's decision to play Waite back and can understand the rationale behind the decision, I can't help but think we are robbing Peter to pay Paul. Waite has shown in the past that he has the capacity to kick bags of goals. He is not the conventional CHF which we are lacking but his athleticism, size and general unpredictability make him a real weapon. He has the ability to be a match-winner as a forward and would command the opposition defenders' respect. This in turn would free Fev from having to deal with half the opposition defence contesting with him.

Unfortunately, I think the MC have made their mind up now with Waite, they clearly see him as a defender. Furthermore, with Bower out and Setanta not in the team I can't see Waite being shifted forward. But I think we are missing the chance to exploit a valuable attacking option.

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you go with that forward line, and give it time, it will reap more goals that Fev at FF.

we need a massive structural change in the way we approach our forward line.

and moving Fev to CHF is the beginning and i think we have players capable of doing the roles set for them as i mentioned earlier.

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Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

OK - not russell and wiggins. But take Betts (20-40), Edwards (20-40), Fisher (20-40) and the key position player we get with the first rounder from trading Fev (20-40) and we have a more than adequate forward line. Others can also be thrown down there with effect (Setanta and Waite). Together with midfielders (Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Judd) who can all kick goals, we will do fine without Fev, and probably stand a beter chance in finals when it is very risky to go in with a game plan of kick it to one forward target.

This is maybe the first time I have ever felt like trading one of our stars. I like Fev a ot - love his humour and good character (he reall is good with the kids and good for marekting) but if he wants to go somewhere else and we get a first round draft pick and get to build a more even forward structure then I'm cool with that.

A question......When Fev re-signs what are all the knockers of him going to say and do ? especially the people on here who have personally attacked him and been very strong in their words to trade him etc.....and don't want him at Carlton.

Party like its 1999

No doubt they will slash their wrists.

This type of comment always pisses me off because it assumes that if re-signs then his knockers would be equally pissed that he is staying.

I would be gobsmacked if any poster didn't want to keep Fev as opposed to the excessive baggage that comes with him.

People get tired of his theatrics.

He has been beaten by Hudghton too many times now but instead of working his way thru it, he sooks, doesn't chase and dummy spits at his team-mates BUT then hugs the bejesus out of his opponents after the game.

WTF is that?

If he re-signs, his knockers will no doubt be relieved that this bad soap opera is over, but I can assure you that each and everyone of them will still be signed up members of the Carlton Football Club in 2009 and beyond.

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The game is changing slightly if you look at the ladder as it stands at the moment all the top six sides have multiple forward options and with the exception of Hawthorn none really have a dominant forward - Even Hawthorn spreads its goals aroung through 3-4 players

The next eight teams all have either one or two dominant forward targets and not many other goal kickers to speak of

the bottom two have no one kicking goals regulary .

If we don't take steps to rectify this reliance on Fev we will not break into the top bracket of teams as you only have to shut him down and your gone - and as Essendon* proved you don't even have to shut him down you can let hi kick goals and still beat us as no one else step up to the plate

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That means its a coaching thinggy doesnt it???

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re: waite in the forward line.

Wasn't there a match a few years ago where Waite single handedly beat Hawthorn. I think he kicked five goals.

And I agree - his kicking for goal has improved.

Well said!

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Yes in a way - but I did note he tried something different on friday and went long to fish in the square - would have worked a treat if fish had held the marks and kicked the goals - There was one there where it was sat over the head of a saints player and I reckon every kid in the park playing kick to kick would have taken it - But fish didn't even get off the ground - the alternatives in the forward line are not that flash

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