WroutPinnell wrote
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reading through this whole thing and only one thing annoys me...and I've said this on this site before...Melvey, when have you recently seen Setanta 'shank' a kick??? don't just lump people into the same category!! his kicking is better than half the damn side!!
Whilst Melvey has many detractors, I tend to agree with his summation at times. This time he's talking through his arse.
Totally agree WP
CJ60 wrote
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Well said Jim
It is amazing that if people don't agree they go down the negative line. Maybe it is being realistic? I can't speak for others but my opinion is based upon being a development officer, going to training and seeing lots of games.
Maybe the last 6 years has seen you just accept mediocrity. We have made great advancement this year but we need to keep improving and are still a long way from being a top side. From my perspective I am looking at what it will take to be a 'GREAT' side again.
If you re-read your post it is actually you that is being negative by criticising others instead of putting forward your case.
Well said CJ.
No offense jim but I really don't like fence sitters who have pot shots, and don't add value.
Sure we're on the improve, but you have to realsie change is inevitable, even if you don't accept it. Believe me, some of the players who played on Friday will not be playing in our next premiership team, furthermore, they may not be on our list in 2009, and by 2010 it's a definite. Which ones? That's easy, the ones you don't have anything to say about.
CJ 69. Thanks for sharing your once private thoughts. I value your insight, input and helping me rid myself of the fluffy delusions I hold of some of the players.
A few years back when I first joined TC I use to get into stoushes with Synbad and others (some who do not frequent the site anymore) because it was easy to sit on the fence and knock the so called 'negative' posters. I used to feel good about my rose colored view on Carlton and it was easy to stay logical, cool, succinct and give my viewpoint cred. It was nice hearing nice things about my posts. I even got a POW only because I was being very positive in our darkest years.
Overtime I got to understand my values better, and have really admired players like Synbad and their harsh views moreso than my once fence sitting ways. They have cleared the rose coloured fog I was living in. I held no values, I just barracked for Carlton and its glorious past....and you know what, I was losing money hand over fist in the last 5 years; something I never had to endure the previous 30 odd years.
The reason why I like the honest posters like Synbad and cj69's post is simple; they tell it like they see it without sentiment and brutal honesty and back it up well with facts, not because they're negative, but because they love Carlton and want to see Carlton at the top, winning flags. They state what some find difficult to say or want to see.
We're heading in the right direction, but there's room for improvement of our list. Now that we're heading in the right direction is the time to be critical and picky and seek constant improvement to get to our end goal. We must not pretend or make excuses for weakness in our stock, game plan and direction. We must be brutal and honest, but it must be backed up with reason.
Some players we will need to keep to allow other personnel to play to their strengths and in the position they will likely play in when we're playing for the Flag. We'll also keep some as security, and others for the interim till we develop the potential of young guys or new players we'll pick up at seasons end and next year and the year after that....till we've got the team to challenge for FLAGS.
This thread is really constructive and brutally honest. Personally, I am a fan of playing 'fringe dwellers' like Bentick and Setanta. My reasons are based on them being the best available to do a specific role at this moment in time. I don't know if they are going to be around for the next flag; they may improve. But there's some glaring obvious weaknesses which need to be sounded out; those 2 are the least of my worries.
I'd like to see Hartlett given a fair dinkum go at CHF, and if he breaks down, or doesn't play to his potential, the writing is on the wall. Then we can try out Cloke there. At least we'll know what to do come seasons end with both of them. We have to find out more about our whole list.
It bothers me to see Aisake go backwards in 2008, when the promise he showed in 2007 was inspiring to say the least. Jacobs is another who we could have given a go when we had LTI's left right and centre. Hammer is a waste in the Ants, and those who suggest Kreuzer needs a rest in the Ants should consider him being rotated more effectively by resting him on the bench in the seniors to give him some relief. But we would need someone to relieve him; hence Hammer and Jacobs names been thrown out there. Then there's Pfieffer waiting in the wings.
We have some hard decisions to make at the end of this year. The draft is deep and full of everything we need, other than a ready made ruckman. We must take advantage of that, and the list must continue to be turned over; thems the rules.
So if you think every player on our list is a protected species, I would suggest you stay away from forums like these, because people are going to post thoughts and back them up with facts you may not want to read; especially posters who accept nothing less than Flags for Carlton.
Football is a business, and we're in the business of winning flags; that's why we're not called St Kilda. If an individual hasn't got what it takes to play in our next premiership team, then they don't and we should move them on.
Carlton is bigger than the individual, so lets continue to put Carlton first and sentimental favourites second.
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