he has every right to post here - just ignore him if you dont like him.

if he breaks guidelines he wil be dealt with - until then

GO BLUES !

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Ridiculous, everyone has a right to an opinion, whether you agree or not is up to you but that type of post is not neccesary.

If you don't agree just say so but just because people say that a player isn't good enough etc DOESN'T mean they are negative, sometimes they are realistic.

melvey tells it as it is...most of the time

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Pfeiffer>>>>Russell
Armfield>>>>Russell
Browne>>>>Russell
and I can't believe I'm writing this
Wiggo>>>>Russell

Russell = overdevelopment
Carlos = underdevelopment

and finally, Brett (Ratten), if you are fortunate enough to coach this club beyond your current contract, do not wake up one day in 3 or 4 years time and think, "I wish I had've released Waite onto a wing a bit like Richo"
Do it now FFS

PS. Carrots to support Betts in the f50 as a defensive forward

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

If you don't like what i have to say just ignore me. Seems to work for others on here

I think Melvey makes a fair point about how much of our improvement is due to Judd. Without him Big K and Stevo our win loss may well be similar to last year. I think after 6 years of crap supporters are entitled to not sugar coat too much. Having said that I think we are improving but we have a couple of large holes at CHF and in the ruck. The latter is a work in progress and will be a strength, the former is a massive hole and with Ratts insisting our most likely second tall forward in Waite is better as a defender then we won't be filling it soon.

and thats where the melvey debate ends - back on topic huh ??

pro: gibbs

con : we lost , to those bastards , again

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Do you think before you post???

Tell me what Lyon's Plan B and C were? Their whole game plan is played on flooding the back half and counter attacking.

So our team is not committed to play for each other. I bet you weren't even at the game (again), baby sitting again???

CON:

Players cannot stay on their feet - why do you need to dive onto the ball on the ground so often? A lot of our players likes to slide on their knees when they try to pick up the ball off the ground or make a tackle. Very often they would miss the ball or tackle and the St Kilda player would just ran off.
Fisher is the worst, almost every contested mark he goes for he falls to the ground.

They switched from flooding and tightening it up to hard running attacking style of play. They wore us down, then pulled the trigger.

The only reason why we got back into the game was judd and the fact that the game opened up a bit and became a litle free flowing until they applied the clamps shut us down and then ran over us

All ratts could offer was throwing players around in hope his only plan of kicking it to Fev would work.

He rested our A grade midfield and the B grade could not compete and the saints kicked a few

This is what frustrated me last night, aside from the overly officious umpiring.

It seemed at every one-on-one contest, our players would fall over, but their St Kilda counterpart would remain on their feet. This is a fundamental part of the game, and it was happening on a regular basis.

As for the umpiring, it didn't favour one side or the other, but it was far too technical.

The big plus of the game was obviously Gibbs, but I'll throw in a mention for Jamison. This kid continues to impress, and considering Riewoldt was on fire against Waite, it was even more significant that Jamison was able to shut the whinger down.

I'm not a big fan of the "how many games would we have won without Judd" argument. Clearly, he has been very good for us in most of our wins. But isn't that the whole point? He plays well because he is a bloody good player. Isn't Judd supposed to help us win games? If he wasn't helping us win games then people would start threads questioning Judd's value and the wisdom of getting him from West Coast. If he does play a key role in our wins, the same people say we are too reliant on him. What are we supposed to do - not play Judd at all?

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Having been to the game I make the following really quite un-educated observances:

Reivolt(ing) totally pantsed Waite in those first three quarters. No question. Ratts took too long to move him to the forward line.

The turnovers at the forward wing areas were almost routine. What's going on there then??

We needed Carlos' spider arms all over Reivolt and someone to take out that smug tool Milne. A stray elbow to the nasal area would've been quite acceptable. Yes, it would've been worth it.

Our centre clearances were shocking this week.

Waite's choice of kicking to JR out of the back line when we were 12 points down in the last when Stevo was screaming, unopposed down the wing. Ummm, hello, vision???

Seemed to kicking to contested possessions all the damned time when free players were available, but somehow not spotted. Are our players playing with fricken racing blinkers on or something??

Melvey dear the reason the saints were avle to run forward was because we kept hitting their men (or missing ours) so our guys - like the bogeyman Russell - who had made excellent space were [REDACTED] because the passed missed or put them under ridiculous pressure.

They way to beat the Saints only game plan is with high skills. We still haven't got them yet - I just wish we'd handball to Gibbs or Judd and let the shit kickers get the hard ball.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Very good thoughts. We recruited a star in order to improve our team. No other reason. Why complain when that is what's happened? But at any rate we beat Richmond without Judd. So all is pretty good at the moment.

You did not answer my question, were you at the game???? Because if you were at the game you would have seen Ratts did try a few different options in the forward line. See you do not see that when some one is not committed and makes comments from the comfort of his arm chair.

Like Dannyboy said, we missed our targets on a few important occassions and in our backline.

They did not wear us down, we were coming home with a wet sail but again we must basic errors in the backline and turned the ball over.

Just out of curiosity are you a member of the club and have you been to any games this year???

A few of the boys must have had moulded soles on Friday night because they were slipping all over the place, especially carrots.

exactly right. its just so frustrating to watch...especially in our defensive 50. just about always ends up with a goal

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I did answer your question. The Saints flooded and ran hard, they also at stages went pretty attacking when they knew they had us on the ropes.

Thats what they do, they wear you out then pull the trigger and put you away

And throwing players around all over the ground is not the answer mate

looked like it was when we got within 7

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

We are still in a developement faze. Ratts is entitled to have the team play a style of play that he believes will take us forward.
If the players make errors that stuff it up then Ratts i believe is correct in would continueing with his idea until they get it right.

Its early days in our developement. Ratts will be telling his players to stick to the proccess no matter what the score is. He will also be leading from example.

Moving players around within the boundries of his game plan is a good way to freshen things up.

Over the next pre season i see Ratts and coaching panel working tirelessly on finding away to capitilise on our around the ground play which is quite good.

We need to look at the way Geelong and Collingwood manufacture goals. Particularly Collingwood who score easily even though they are ordinary around the ground.

As time goes on we will get better and better.