Very disappointing night.

Cloke was my biggest disappointment last night. He continuously gets flogged by bigger bodied ruckman and is useless around the ground. Another who tries but is simple not up to it. He makes stupid errors and never seems to learn. Really need to bring in Hampson and even Jacobs for the rest of the year. Need to rotate both on and off the bench. We have no alternative and the sooner we get games into these two the better.

Wiggins ... well I'm not going to go there and upset anyone.

Bentick is another and what's worse now is that the umpires have caught on to him. Thankfully Hadley and by next year Gibbsy will do his job.

Ratten was too slow last night in making changes. Waite should have been shifted earlier and Jamison put on Riewoldt. Kruezer does not play forward enough. We simple cannot expect to do these moves in the last quarter and expect to win games.

I'm not even going to start with Fevola. I know he spent most of the night dancing the waltz with Hudgton and the umpires refuse to pay him anything but it seems to me opposition players, the same ones over and over and over again, can get into his head too easily. I'm just glad he loved to hug the Aints players so much after the game instead of being disappointed along with Juddy and comp on missing out on finals, because that indicated to me with whom we should start negotiating a trade with.

Fev will sign but for me, once again he has shown that it's all about Fev and only Fev. I'll support him, as always, but that is it as far as I go with him. He will never change.

Good post. JR was certainly not the worst last night and he cannot he held responsible for that goal. Waite's pass put him under intense pressure. Sure he gets the yips when he's kicking for goal from a set shot but he's not the only one. I get the yips when I read the slash and burn comments on TC especially those directed at young and developing players like JR and Edwards

You used 12 senteces to bag Fev then said "Ill support Fev as always"

weird.....

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waite will kill someone one day with passes like that and the one to judd against the bombers

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Hence why should never play CHB as we need our best disposal by foot running off half back setting up play. We have players like Waite, Carrazzo and Setanta shanking kicks that kill us.

JR isnt a problem cos he missed that goal... hes a problem cos he misses THOSE goals...

Look as we get better and play more 'defining games' and as Gibbs is entering 50 and JR is the 1st option... and there are doubts players will be looking for option 2...

You cant have that!

Russell is a liability...

He just is not up to the game.... he has played what??... 5 good quarters over 50 games of non discript footy...

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Russell: improving? I think must agree he has BUT has kicked 1.9 this year. No confidence in him in front of goal. If he's playing forward, he's got to kick some.

CJ mentioned loving Simpson's efforts. Jason Blake kicked a goal in the 3rd quarter. Blake took a mark or free kick on defensive 50 with Simpson on the mark. Blake busted his gut to become a loose man inside 50 and take a mark. Simpson was only at the wing! Casually jogged after his man and gave up a goal. Not trying to pot Simpson here because I generally love his work BUT perhaps doesn't work or run as hard defensively as when he has the ball. But he's not the only midfielder that applies to....

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Shouldn't you be saying the same things about Wiggo?? how many good games has he played out of the 98??

JR is still learning the capper, he has youth on his side. I thought he did some nice things last night and i bet if he was a pick 40 you wouldn't be as harsh. It wasn't his decision to be picked at number 9

I'd be far more critical with the blokes who been round for 6 or so years now and have played the 80 to 100 games. Thats where the improvement
needs to come from. We know the where the likes of Wiggo, Banno, Fisher stand and far as i can see they just don't cut the mustard.

But yet you manage to focus on a kid with far more upside than those i mentioned

Is this some kind of sick attempt to prove youre not always negative?

You have better options...

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So far JR has played 43 games of which 14 have been played in 2008. I think his development was stymied prior to this year because of the lack of development resources and commitment at CFC under the Pagan regime. That has been rectified this year and as a result I think we have seen continuing improvement in JR and indeed a number of others including Eddie. I do not agree that he is a liability. He took a number of leading marks last night and he hit the ball hard. He was unlucky not to get a goal that was touched off the boot.

And what does he actually do????

Like what is his position and what role does he do to energise a win for us???

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Do I??

I think you have better options than laying into JR time and time again. We have a long list of donkeys that deserve your constant negative comments time and time again.

time marches everlasting, time keeps its own time. JR will be standing and delivering while Synbads comments be passing us by

Most other players that arent good enough make way for other players from time to time.

He gets the criticism cos he is obvious as someone out of his depth...

Tell me his position and what he obviously actually adds to the make up of the footy club each week that we cant do without and ill be with you...

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Like i said if he were a pick 40 you wouldn't have anything to say. You seem to cut the likes of Waitey, Fisher and Simpson slack because they are late draft picks. Where as i think we should be pointing the finger at these blokes as they have been around and need to take the next step up as leaders for us to go forward. They haven't

My issue with Russel is he not being settled down in the one position. The same goes with several other kids in our side. If you watch the bombers each kid out there knows there role with in the team.

The game against Essendon* Ratts had Russel starting on a HFF, then as a stopping run with role, then he found himself chasing Llyody up the ground then back on a wing.

Why couldn't have Russel played a role like Dempster did on Stevo last night. Set him a challenge, just how Ratts needs to challenges Waitey to do a job week in week out or he goes missing.

Russel wasn't the only one out there last night to have disappointed. I thought leaders like Waitey, T-bird and Fisher were far worse

Yes but you cant give me his position or how he generates something for us.....

Thats my question...

Can you?

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I think he is a smart player and needs to be settled into a position. That position being a run with role. Like the role Dempster did on stevo last night

Set him a task to run with and stop an opposition midfielder but win the ball himself. He has the size to play in the midfield, he as the running capabilities to play in the middle and honestly he does some nice things setting up play. His confidence is probably low and not helped when you don't know your role within the team

I also think he can play across half forward. Like i said i think he is a smart footballer have seen him do some smart things on the field but saying that, again it comes down to the lack of direction from having no game plan B or C and no forward structure and setup other than look for Fev at every opportunity.

How are any of the kids going to develop when they are shifted all over the ground.

This game plan of looking for at every opportunity will be the downfall of the development of this side and will not only effect JR but many others ads Ratts rejigs the line up to get the look for Fev game plan to work

Pfeiffer>>>>Russell
Armfield>>>>Russell
Browne>>>>Russell
and I can't believe I'm writing this
Wiggo>>>>Russell

Russell = overdevelopment
Carlos = underdevelopment

and finally, Brett (Ratten), if you are fortunate enough to coach this club beyond your current contract, do not wake up one day in 3 or 4 years time and think, "I wish I had've released Waite onto a wing a bit like Richo"
Do it now FFS

PS. Carrots to support Betts in the f50 as a defensive forward

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99Prelim, I love your signature. Made me chortle.

I hate losing to that poor excuse of a football club. When things aren't going well, you can understand people feeling the way we do. Jordan Russell, in the last quarter did well to keep the ball to some sort of advantage when the kick let him down. He could have relinquished it a lot quicker, I thought. Having said that, he desperately needs to work on his disposal or his attitude towards his disposal. His kicking for goal is terrible. Maybe a break in the two's might be good for him.

The team is young and inexperienced and still needs time. I wanted to win more than anyone. I hate St. Kilda! They are a bunch of celebrities. Some of those guys put hair gel in their hair for training. You've got to be kidding me! They behave like they've won the last 10 premierships when we all know what they're about. They've got to be kidding themselves if they think they're any good.

We need work. No doubt. I'm sure the coach and all concerned know that, and we will get better.

Anyway, I've vented.

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Last round Carlton made the final four for the first time.

Eventual premiers.

That's what I'm talking about!

yep

i wrote this is another post last night, never thought of starting one....

just thought i'd re- post it to satisfy my own ego......

after losses like tonight, the recriminations do tend to come out, but it is the frustration of knowing what we are capable of rather than what we dish up.

although, for mine, tonight is an example of not who we should drop (Fisher aside - boy he frustrates me), but who we should promote and roadtest. the way i see it, is we are not truly good enough yet to make the finals, and we have not used as many players as i would have liked to have seen tried, mainly due to good form, which is not a complaint nor a criticism, just not what i'm used to.

i think the MC should take a chance, say to the football world, right, we could be out of finals contention, but we will try and win games while at the same time prepare for the next season, without being so blunt, and give some game time to some players who may need it to see if they stand up.

i would like to see Hammer given every game remaining this season to learn as much as he can and use the off season to bulk up. rest Krooze if necessary, he has already surpassed my wildest expectations of him, and if he finished off the year in the ants it wouldnt hurt him. i would also like to see Harts, Blackwell, Jacko and Benji given a run, it couldn't hurt their development, and may answer some questions about their places in the side. i would also like to see the MC hold faith in Edwards and Anderson and pump game time into Ando espescially.

i am by no means saying the season is gone, but we have a tough run home, and i will be extremely happy with a 9-10 placed finish knowing we are also developing for the future. unfortunately, for this to happen, some players must be dropped, and the old whipping boys, Fish, The Wiggo (gasp) Russell or even Carrots or Bentick are my only logical options to drop. Russell is improving every week, his tackling tonite was great, and Wiggo, well, what can i say, but i would rather see us backpedal a bit rather than tread water at this stage. it may not need to happen now, but before the season is out, i'd like to see the above kids get a solid run.

i feel somewhat guilty for suggesting this, but, dear readers, believe me, i have only the best interests of our club at heart

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