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No dramas, Fev doesn't fit the Swans "no flower" policy. Good player though.

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When Fev was asked whether he spoke to Sydney, he denied and lifted his hand to his mouth straight away. In body language parlance, that means he's ne's not telling the truth.

So he has spoken to Sydney. I think that's a given, but that doesn't mean he's going there. We'll see though.

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It's all well and good to laugh and say Fev isn't worth $750k per year, but I reckon Carlton supporters would be the only ones to say so.

Judd's on $1.1m per year...our second highest paid player should be Fev and a contract in the vicinity of $700-$750k per year is not proportionately unreasonable or unjustifiable. He more than any other player has contributed to the 7-7 form line and without him, let's face it, we'd be more like 4-10 this year.

Fair enough, Swan needs to balance the books, but players like Fev are once in a generation..around him you CAN win a flag...and we will if he stays.

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We should be offering Brendan a deal for four years for about $750k per year.


$750k a year.... You got to be kidding mate.

I'd be offering around $500,000 a year + $100,000 a year for marketing and that is it. $600k a year for the next 3 years

Problem is when Greg Swan comes out and says "we got plenty of room to fit Kerr under our cap" managers of Fev's, Waitey's and Murph's be licking there lips and now obviously holding out cause they know the money will come.


He's already rejected $2mill over 3 years so your $1.8mill looks real appealing :roll:


Does anyone on this board really believe that Alex will let Brendon live in the same city as Lara Bingle?

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We're in the box seat. Why would Fev want to leave?

We make an offer that's fair and reasonable and tell him to take it or leave it. Could the Swans satisfy us with a trade? Nup, if they had a top 3 pick they'd be in with a show.

No players on their list, and no pick they have in the draft would be good enough. He's never ever going to Sydney.

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I wouldn't worry about a thing guys.

Fev is a Blue............. It's probably just taking a while to dot the 't's and cross the 'i's of the finer details. :wink:

Infact, i'd be surprised if Fev HASN'T spoken to any other clubs, Collingwood & The Saints would probably be chasing him to and it's only natural to talk to them, that way you can guage what is a fair and resonable asking price for your value.

Don't worry about a thing.

With that said thou.......................

Fev has been a great assest to this club in so many poor & tough years. He has brought fans through the gates, won at least half a dozen games of his own boot (which pushes 'Champion' status in my eyes), won our first Coleman for over 50 years and more than anything, has entertained us supporters when there was very little else to be entertained by.

What is so bad with giving him a 4 year, $3million deal? Hell, he's worth that! He's on-track to kick maybe 80-90 goals this year and if he plays for another 4-5 years he could well go close to breaking "Stick's" record of goals.

Fev will go down in history as a Carlton Great, possibly in the top 5-10 of all time.......what's the worst thing that could happen with giving him a 4 year contract?

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No dis-respect to the great man, Ryan, but Koutas cointract was a cross we couldn't bare.

As SB said, the Swans pushed Koutas value sky high and we stupidly paid it. It cost us massively and has taken 8 years to recover from. I know Kouta wasn't the only one, but his contract smashed us pretty badly.

Hammil's did the same to the Aints and may have cost them a flag. 1 player is not worth the future of the team.

Pay him what's fair on a 3 year deal and move on. We've still got Kerr and Brown to get 8) .

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darknavy wrote:
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Elroy wrote:
We should be offering Brendan a deal for four years for about $750k per year.


$750k a year.... You got to be kidding mate.

I'd be offering around $500,000 a year + $100,000 a year for marketing and that is it. $600k a year for the next 3 years

Problem is when Greg Swan comes out and says "we got plenty of room to fit Kerr under our cap" managers of Fev's, Waitey's and Murph's be licking there lips and now obviously holding out cause they know the money will come.


He's already rejected $2mill over 3 years so your $1.8mill looks real appealing :roll:

Does anyone on this board really believe that Alex will let Brendon live in the same city as Lara Bingle?


we're screwed then if we offer him more than that.

but like i said when the club come out saying we got enough room in the cap for another big fish why wouldn't Brendan asking for extra.

he has the club backed into a corner


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Apart from it's size, what made the Kouta contract even worse was that it was backloaded. This was a disaster. Is it any wonder we were about 25% over the salary cap in 2002?

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Elroy wrote:
It's all well and good to laugh and say Fev isn't worth $750k per year, but I reckon Carlton supporters would be the only ones to say so.

Judd's on $1.1m per year...our second highest paid player should be Fev and a contract in the vicinity of $700-$750k per year is not proportionately unreasonable or unjustifiable. He more than any other player has contributed to the 7-7 form line and without him, let's face it, we'd be more like 4-10 this year.

Fair enough, Swan needs to balance the books, but players like Fev are once in a generation..around him you CAN win a flag...and we will if he stays.


Well said Elroy, amazing how there is such a large Carlton contingent who undervalue Fev and can’t understand his true market worth. $700K+ is far from exuberant

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Apart from it's size, what made the Kouta contract even worse was that it was backloaded. This was a disaster. Is it any wonder we were about 25% over the salary cap in 2002?


And that was only half way through his deal!!! :shock:

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First of all the Swans cannot offer Fev anything. They can indicate what they are willing to pay if Carlton trade him to them, but that "if" is very difficult. Because as well as saying we'll give you $3m over 4 years, the Swans have to offer Fev a realistic pathway to them getting him via trade. If they can't do this then they are truly just stirring the pot. Judd agreed to come to Carlton because we outlined a way to get him off the Weagles.

We can just as easily offer J Brown a 4 year deal but again, the question any sensible footballer and agent will ask is how can you get the deal done.

I certainly wouldn't offer him a 4 year deal. I'd give 3 and let Swann figure out the terms ?600-750k per year. The question is will Fev go to the PSD for Melbourne where he'll finish his career in the bottom 4, or go to Perth. I doubt it but if a club offered a sutable trade you'd have to look at it.

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Part of the reason why Juddy came to Carlton cause he wanted to play with Fev.

No doubt Fev management group are wanting to make a name for themselves as they are the new ids on the block.

Im sure Swany and Pratt will work it out if not maybe Stevo could call on his neighbour to do him a favor.... threaten to break some legs :wink:


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Good to see Sydney putting the extra money they get in the salary cap for "player retention" to good use.


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Fev will go down in history as a Carlton Great, possibly in the top 5-10 of all time.......


Please tell me you speak in jest Ryan2000! Fev has absolutely zero chance of being a Carlton great. As good a player as he is and I'd love him to stay - his manager is a priCk and has set this whole scenario up to raise Fev's price.

If Sydney can themselves a top 5 draft pick - I'll take that plus Ed Barlow. It won't happen. Put a bunch of cash on the table in front of Fev - tell him for every week he doesn't sign - 25k disappears from the table.


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I wouldn't worry about a thing guys.

Fev is a Blue............. It's probably just taking a while to dot the 't's and cross the 'i's of the finer details. :wink:

Infact, i'd be surprised if Fev HASN'T spoken to any other clubs, Collingwood & The Saints would probably be chasing him to and it's only natural to talk to them, that way you can guage what is a fair and resonable asking price for your value.

Don't worry about a thing.

With that said thou.......................

Fev has been a great assest to this club in so many poor & tough years. He has brought fans through the gates, won at least half a dozen games of his own boot (which pushes 'Champion' status in my eyes), won our first Coleman for over 50 years and more than anything, has entertained us supporters when there was very little else to be entertained by.

What is so bad with giving him a 4 year, $3million deal? Hell, he's worth that! He's on-track to kick maybe 80-90 goals this year and if he plays for another 4-5 years he could well go close to breaking "Stick's" record of goals.

Fev will go down in history as a Carlton Great, possibly in the top 5-10 of all time.......what's the worst thing that could happen with giving him a 4 year contract?


I agree.

After Fev's 2nd year, the 3rd and 4th years of his contract will be in that veterans part of the cap, and not included in the overall cap. So l dont see the big issue. We got a ton of money and his marquee values pays for himself with all the merchandise sold.


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I knew this was coming and glad it is out of the bag now.

There is big pressure on Swan at the moment. He said Fev was on his last chance and the Swans offer (and a couple of others) have forced Carlton/Swan to re-think the last chance clause (one more strike and you are out).

If Swan removes that clause then he has gone back on his word and is shooting at the hip.

It is time for tough decisions and not those that mean the Blues pay over the market price. After all the chances Carlton gave Fev, if he wants to turn his back on the club then I look forward to booing him in the red and white and thank you Sydney for giving us your future stars.


There is no clause, Swann has said this publically. The only behaviour clause is from the AFL as part of every players basic contract.


Swan publicly said after the p*ss on the window episode that if Fev stuffed up again then he will be axed from the club. We all read it, we all heard it and if Swan has gone back on his word then either someone above him didn't agree with his comment or he says what he doesn't believe to keep the masses happy.

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Fev will go down in history as a Carlton Great, possibly in the top 5-10 of all time.......


Please tell me you speak in jest Ryan2000! Fev has absolutely zero chance of being a Carlton great. As good a player as he is and I'd love him to stay - his manager is a priCk and has set this whole scenario up to raise Fev's price.

If Sydney can themselves a top 5 draft pick - I'll take that plus Ed Barlow. It won't happen. Put a bunch of cash on the table in front of Fev - tell him for every week he doesn't sign - 25k disappears from the table.


I agree Doc, Sydney ahve no chance and the last thing Fev wants to do is play in another side in the bottom 4.

Tell 'im he's dreamin'.

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Clayman wrote:
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I knew this was coming and glad it is out of the bag now.

There is big pressure on Swan at the moment. He said Fev was on his last chance and the Swans offer (and a couple of others) have forced Carlton/Swan to re-think the last chance clause (one more strike and you are out).

If Swan removes that clause then he has gone back on his word and is shooting at the hip.

It is time for tough decisions and not those that mean the Blues pay over the market price. After all the chances Carlton gave Fev, if he wants to turn his back on the club then I look forward to booing him in the red and white and thank you Sydney for giving us your future stars.


There is no clause, Swann has said this publically. The only behaviour clause is from the AFL as part of every players basic contract.


Swan publicly said after the p*ss on the window episode that if Fev stuffed up again then he will be axed from the club. We all read it, we all heard it and if Swan has gone back on his word then either someone above him didn't agree with his comment or he says what he doesn't believe to keep the masses happy.


Swann mightn't give a stuff anymore and pack his bags for the GC now that's Dick's not at the head of the table. :P


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Sydney had a fire sale last year so as they could stay under the cap ... where are they going to get the money from to pay Fev.


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