Virgin Blue, yes I hope you re right there.
I feel Betts needs to kick 2 goals per game and also create 1 or 2.

Exactly, Eddie needs a big year!!!

To be honest what are these extra chances you speak of? Oh you mean the pile growing experience of sitting on the pine.

I'll admit Im a fan of Wiggo but I watch games differently to most these days. I tend to look at them as a study exercise given I dont get to take enjoyment out of them. The little things he does out there go unnoticed. Being at the bottom of the pack punching the ball into clear space etc etc all the 1%ers that have be so lacking over the past 5 years from most of the passengers.

The amount of so called miss kicks and clangers he makes have in part been more due to the fact that the person on the receiving end couldnt be [REDACTED] and run hard and have a go.

I hope he gets a red hot go this year in a team that should in theory take the paddock with a raging fire in their hearts and a determination to destroy all before them unlike that past few years when we have been playing with no heart and a determination to loose at all costs playing for a coach who had no @#$%&! idea and was the most hated man in all Carlton.

Id like to see him playing as a hard leading HFF who has the support around to be able to dish of quick hands to runners like Simmo, Bryce and Houla who have the finishing skills to deliver to Fev and co or convert themselves.

He could compliment Fish in much the way Judas(hamil) complimented Red. God knows he doesnt mind putting his body on the line - from memory he finished the game he fractured his eye socket in or at least didnt come straight off like some of our other blouses with fractured finger nails.


In short Id like to see him get an opportunity in a team that puts in as much effort as he does before we pass any final judgements.

Have a look at recent photos of Eddie and youll notice that the puppy fat is fast disappearing. Check his arms out - Stevens at his best has never had so much definition.

Nah, that's just a run-of-the-mill boring statement warbs.
You seem hesitant to give your honest opinion of their abilities for some reason.
I'm interested in your opinion on whether Wiggo & Banno are Carltons 'good honest soldiers' that you referred to and should be in the starting 22?

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I still reckon Eddie should have done a bit of a midfield apprenticeship with the ants. He would have been more developed as a mid by now. Could be a better version of Brent Harvey.

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(A) YES............and (B) NO......but dependent on my comments above ...........for the third time!

I suggest you go back to watching games like a normal person because he is sh!t. I don't like canning Carlton players and get no enjoyment out of it but really he shouldn't be one anymore.

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Betts is as safe as houses. He'll play every game next year in the seniors and will deserve his spot.

Betts had 26 possessions, 4 marks and kicked 5 goals as a 20 year old forward pocket in round 22 last year. How is he not one of our brightest young talents? I'm astounded when people on this website and others don't put him in our best 22 or suggest that he's somehow under threat of delistment at the end of the year.

Ok, cool. Disagree with Wiggo being in the 22 but each to their own.



btw warbs, great stuff with the scrapbook!

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Thanks mate....we all love Carlton!

I've got some absolutely ripper stuff to put up as soon as I can find the time.............

we need blue collar workers mixing it up with judd murphy & gibbs...
posts will likely re appear again regarding joey anderson, armfield & browne...for the time being untill brown anderson and armfield get some experience wiggins & bannister are essential to the squad...whether they will be at princes park at the end of '08..probably not, then again if not someone bigger & better will need to take their spot.

He already does that. When he gets three possies a week, kicks two and gives one away, everybody screams for his head. He also created opportunities with his tackles, which don't show up in raw stats.
I think his role will be changed this year to an off the bench midfielder where he will use his pace in short bursts but get more of the footy thsan he used to in the pocket. He has great skills but it's hard to get a lot of kicks in the FP when the ball is mostly down the other end.

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QFT - thanks to Pagan's archaic thinking the Wiggler was played in a few more games than he probably should of in the past few year (and while being 'serviceable', he didn't do anything special) - whereas Bannister has been given a game here - a game there, and no real time to be given a string of two or three games together to find a bit of form... particularly when the season was going nowhere and this wouldn't affect our ladder position.

After this year though, 'serviceable' won't do... not for the Wiggler, Banno or even Scotland and Stevens. These 'serviceable' types will be discarded - because as we have seen with the Cats GF winning side, these days there is no room for even one or two passengers... either you contribute or your useless.

The days of 'good ordinary footballers', and 'he's ok but he's got a big heart' (no edits pls ) are over...

That said, given them their last year - god know Livo and Prenda got the same treatment and fudged their hopes up by not taking it to the next level...

Wiggo = Franchina
Banno = IMO a very, very poor man's Andy McKay.

If anyones going to lift a gear and get a new contract - it's Banno... I've always had the feeling that he has been capable of doing better.


As for Blackwell... he's got no chance.

Yep, even for the silky one trick pony types as well.

We're in the busines of winning premierships ... and to win a premiership, mediocrity must be eliminated.

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Banno = Andy McKays little toe on a good day.

On a lighter night glad you have faith in Wiggo comming good.

Franga played 13 games in 1999 incl the grand final followed by all 24 games in 2000 (wasted op that year).

to blue4,
wiggins and bannister are essential to our squad while the likes of anderson and browne need time.
i will give everyone a tip, how long have these two plus bentick been on carltons list? to long!!!!!!!!
name any other club that would pick up these three?
why you would not play anderson who played very well for the few times he played last year.
there are a few players on the blues list that have been at the club for a few years who are clearly not up to afl standard.
ackland before hampson/a o'hailpin?
bannister before anderson/edwards/austin/russell/blackwell etc
wiggins before grigg?
bentick before anyone?
sorry to be mean but all my mates who support everyone but the blues agree, not one of them would have these four in there teams.
now is the time to play the young lads,
go blues.

Totally agree, good small forwards avg 1.5 goals a game. Eddie is averaging a goal a game now and he isnt 21. Eddie, also creates at least a goal a game throug hard tackling. His weakness is kicking goals on the run. Put it this way if each of our 6 forwards kicked 1 goal and created another, there is 12 goals to staret with. 16 goals average score and we would be in the eight. Eddie stays

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

So, how are the boys tracking now?

How is backflipping from earlier comments and who is sticking fat with their earlier comments!?!


I'd like to admit that I was a little wrong, although I didn't write both players off altogether...




I know one guy on TC who stands by his comments.


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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:54 pm

Carlton definitely got the good Wiggins.

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