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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:18 pm 
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We’ve got some pretty good up and coming players which are currently playing in the reserves and/or are struggling to get a regular spot in our starting 22.
Players such as Ando, Austin, Pheiffer, Hammer, Jackson etc
What is the chance of them getting regular senior games soon?
Who would make way for these players to get into the senior side?
What’s the chance of the players moving onto another club where they know they will get a senior game?
Is it a pro or a con?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:22 pm 
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when we were a power side in the 80's we always had depth, many good players weren't getting a game and the same will happen again. the youngens will all have to wait for their chance , its as simple as that


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:24 pm 
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PRO and agree with Springsteen.
It's good that if you aren't producing someone will take your spot. Shows they're developing a good list and team.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:35 pm 
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danii wrote:
We’ve got some pretty good up and coming players which are currently playing in the reserves and/or are struggling to get a regular spot in our starting 22.
Players such as Ando, Austin, Pheiffer, Hammer, Jackson etc
What is the chance of them getting regular senior games soon?
Who would make way for these players to get into the senior side?
What’s the chance of the players moving onto another club where they know they will get a senior game?
Is it a pro or a con?

Discuss


Defo a pro. We are starting to get a bit of depth, which creates healthy competition for spots in the side. Of the guys playing with the Bullants at the moment:
- Jacko: he works his backside off, but there's obviously a perception that he's not accountable enough + he lacks leg speed + his disposal is suspect. Is up against it to hold his spot on the list IMO;
- Blackwell: smart player but...see Jacko (+undersized);
- Hartlett : big man, big kick, but has struggled to establish himself after three and a half years. Time's fast running out;
- Pfeieffer : not quick, but hard at it. If/when his skills settle down, should be a very handy player for us;
- Hammer: looks to have a big upsize, but is still very raw;
- Benji : may be better suited to the Telstra Dome than Cramer Street...but we'll never find out if he doesn't start showing more at the lower level. Has had rotten luck with injury, but has been disappointing and may recieve the Anthony Raso-treatment;
- Austin : has improved, but will need time;
- Saddo: provides good leadership in the VFL, but I can't see him playing for Carlton again;
- Ackland : gawn;
- Ellard : I'm not as keen on him as some are, but I think he'll get another year on the Rookie list;
- AJ : will be either promoted or kept on the Rookie list;
- Jacobs : last year on the Rookie list, so we need to either promote or de-list him. Given our ruck stocks are thin, I think we'll probably invest another year in him;
- Aisake : Unfortunately it looks like the MC have already made up their mind...will be interesting to see if another club picks him up;
- Hill : haven't seen enough to form an opinion;
- Shields : see Hill

Of the above, I think Hammer, Harts, Austin, Pffeifer and AJ are the ones most likely to get AFL exposure before the year is out. Personally, I'd like to see Jacko get another chance, and I wouldn't mind it if they gave Jacobs a taste.

Ackland, Aisake, Saddo, Benji, Jacko & Blackers (+ maybe Harts) are in the gun I think...

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:51 am 
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danii wrote:
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:28 am 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
danii wrote:
We’ve got some pretty good up and coming players which are currently playing in the reserves and/or are struggling to get a regular spot in our starting 22.
Players such as Ando, Austin, Pheiffer, Hammer, Jackson etc
What is the chance of them getting regular senior games soon?
Who would make way for these players to get into the senior side?
What’s the chance of the players moving onto another club where they know they will get a senior game?
Is it a pro or a con?

Discuss


Defo a pro. We are starting to get a bit of depth, which creates healthy competition for spots in the side. Of the guys playing with the Bullants at the moment:
- Jacko: he works his backside off, but there's obviously a perception that he's not accountable enough + he lacks leg speed + his disposal is suspect. Is up against it to hold his spot on the list IMO;
- Blackwell: smart player but...see Jacko (+undersized);
- Hartlett : big man, big kick, but has struggled to establish himself after three and a half years. Time's fast running out;
- Pfeieffer : not quick, but hard at it. If/when his skills settle down, should be a very handy player for us;
- Hammer: looks to have a big upsize, but is still very raw;
- Benji : may be better suited to the Telstra Dome than Cramer Street...but we'll never find out if he doesn't start showing more at the lower level. Has had rotten luck with injury, but has been disappointing and may recieve the Anthony Raso-treatment;
- Austin : has improved, but will need time;
- Saddo: provides good leadership in the VFL, but I can't see him playing for Carlton again;
- Ackland : gawn;
- Ellard : I'm not as keen on him as some are, but I think he'll get another year on the Rookie list;
- AJ : will be either promoted or kept on the Rookie list;
- Jacobs : last year on the Rookie list, so we need to either promote or de-list him. Given our ruck stocks are thin, I think we'll probably invest another year in him;
- Aisake : Unfortunately it looks like the MC have already made up their mind...will be interesting to see if another club picks him up;
- Hill : haven't seen enough to form an opinion;
- Shields : see Hill

Of the above, I think Hammer, Harts, Austin, Pffeifer and AJ are the ones most likely to get AFL exposure before the year is out. Personally, I'd like to see Jacko get another chance, and I wouldn't mind it if they gave Jacobs a taste.

Ackland, Aisake, Saddo, Benji, Jacko & Blackers (+ maybe Harts) are in the gun I think...


Pretty much spot on.

The ideal position at the moment would be to get 8-10 games into these guys at the moment but with us still in contention for the 8 we need to keep picking the best guys at the time.

All in all I think the MC have handled things pretty well. Generally the guys in the Ants at the moment are Rookies or guys that have had a couple of injury concerns this year.

As much as I would like to see guys like Hampson & Austin in the seniors they are very young and raw and are 2-3 years away from being consistent influential senior players.

Their time will come we just need to be patient.

It will be very interesting to see who we delist at the end of the year. Jamo needs to be promoted and a decision needs to be made on Jacobs.

Is it this year where we the AFL introduces the option of getting 10 rookies? Anyone know?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:04 am 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Of the guys playing with the Bullants at the moment:
- Jacko: he works his backside off, but there's obviously a perception that he's not accountable enough + he lacks leg speed + his disposal is suspect. Is up against it to hold his spot on the list IMO;
- Blackwell: smart player but...see Jacko (+undersized);
- Hartlett : big man, big kick, but has struggled to establish himself after three and a half years. Time's fast running out;
- Pfeieffer : not quick, but hard at it. If/when his skills settle down, should be a very handy player for us;
- Hammer: looks to have a big upsize, but is still very raw;
- Benji : may be better suited to the Telstra Dome than Cramer Street...but we'll never find out if he doesn't start showing more at the lower level. Has had rotten luck with injury, but has been disappointing and may recieve the Anthony Raso-treatment;
- Austin : has improved, but will need time;
- Saddo: provides good leadership in the VFL, but I can't see him playing for Carlton again;
- Ackland : gawn;
- Ellard : I'm not as keen on him as some are, but I think he'll get another year on the Rookie list;
- AJ : will be either promoted or kept on the Rookie list;
- Jacobs : last year on the Rookie list, so we need to either promote or de-list him. Given our ruck stocks are thin, I think we'll probably invest another year in him;
- Aisake : Unfortunately it looks like the MC have already made up their mind...will be interesting to see if another club picks him up;
- Hill : haven't seen enough to form an opinion;
- Shields : see Hill

Of the above, I think Hammer, Harts, Austin, Pffeifer and AJ are the ones most likely to get AFL exposure before the year is out. Personally, I'd like to see Jacko get another chance, and I wouldn't mind it if they gave Jacobs a taste.

Ackland, Aisake, Saddo, Benji, Jacko & Blackers (+ maybe Harts) are in the gun I think...

Well put aboynamedsue.......Ackland, Aisake, Saddo, Benji, Jacko and Blackers are probably gone whilst I hope Hartlett gets a few games in the seniors before the seasons end to show his wares.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:06 pm 
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danii wrote:
We’ve got some pretty good up and coming players which are currently playing in the reserves and/or are struggling to get a regular spot in our starting 22.
Players such as Ando, Austin, Pheiffer, Hammer, Jackson etc
What is the chance of them getting regular senior games soon?
Who would make way for these players to get into the senior side?
What’s the chance of the players moving onto another club where they know they will get a senior game?
Is it a pro or a con?

Discuss


I guess it's just a case for those primary listed younger players who aren't being selected (for whatever reason) to make the decision of whether to be a 'squad' player for a strong team list playing finals or a '1st 22 player' player for a weaker team list out of the finals.


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i reckon its a con, i really want to see jackson and ando get a decent chance

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Also, whats the chance of some of these kids being forced to go to the gold coast or west sydney teams?


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i think this thread should be retitled, l"ook at all the young guns getting consistent games"

jamieson
bower (until hurt)
armfield
browne
grigg
gibbs
kruezer
murphy (3rd year)

plus betts & russell both only in their 4th years

edwars, hampson, anderson also getting an irregular run

that's 13 players

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i reckon its a con, i really want to see jackson and ando get a decent chance
I want to see the other rookies get a guernsey, especially the Irishmen Aisake and Shields ...

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