You dont learn anything from "next tine we win".. you actually learn more when we lose....!!!

Yes?
No?

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Synbad said:


Stuffed if I know Synners, but I certainly have learned a few things from you about the team when we win or lose though.

When we win I learn that we will make the finals and that all is going well.

When we lose I learn that the sky is falling in and that Judd and Fev are all we have.

Stirring insights. Flaky stuff. At least Melvey is 100% consistent that we are screwed.

Except that Ralph Carr is still on the board

Don't forget Simon Wilson Rhys! Please don't forget Simon Wilson

if u dont learn u will get burnt if you put your hands in fire youll keep doing it right???

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What a hanger on that guy is!!
I'd love to know what he has contributed

The way I see it:

R1 Richmond - expected to win YES, won NO -1
R2 St Kilda - expected to win NO, won NO -
R3 Essendon* - expected to win YES, won NO -1
R4 Collingwood - expected to win NO, won YES +1
R5 Melbourne - expected to win YES, won YES -
R6 Adelaide - expected to win NO, won NO -
R7 West Coast - expected to win NO, won YES +1
R8 Lions - expected to win YES, won NO -1
R9 Fremantle - expected to win NO, won YES +1
R10 Geelong - expected to win NO, won NO -
R11 Port - expected to win NO, won YES +1
R12 Collingwood - expected to win NO, won YES +1
R13 Essendon* - expected to win YES, won NO -1

Losses when expected to win = 4
Wins when expected to lose = 5
Results as expected = 4

Anticipated win/loss ratio to round 13 = 5 wins 8 losses
Actual win/loss ratio to round 13 = 6 wins 7 losses

Net result = 1 more win than expected at this point in time.

its all about the reality of NOW...

for example StKilda 2nd favourites to win the flag....... -1

The game is fluid and dynamic.... things change.. you need to seize on opportunities....

We havent... in my opinion...

in my opinion there are alot of teams struggling.... (refer to ladder).. and we should be pushing harder ... on the current form of the AFL ladder...
Were more talented than most of the teams in our vicinity....

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The point you made above Synbad is something i have been harping on about for a while now.
I coach an U11 football side and i can tell you that we drill blocking and sheperding and helping your team mates out whenever you can from this age.
Now why does it seem that a bunch of 18-30 year old guys seem to not know that this is something that needs to be implemented in every game in order to win?
How can there be excuses like 'they're still learning'? These are fundamental skills taught from a young age.
They should be natural. The fact that we aren't doing it at all is a really worrying sign.

One last point that Synbad made aswell, the kicking into space. Fevola is not going to mark the ball when it is popped up for him one on one. (except the few instances when he grabs it with one hand and it sticks) If you go to the games you can see it better than on television, There is usually alot of space infront of Fev and he tells the ball carier or who ever marked it to just kick it in front of him into that space and he'll run onto it. Instead we either wait to long and this space is filled (usually by our players!) or we just pop it up. It's such a basic skill! AGAIN!

I have no doubt that our players are good enough. But are they smart enough? And if not are we constantly getting in there ear about the basics. Because you cant do the fancy stuff until you learn the very simplist of skills!
MB

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MB based on what you said above, we obviously need to lay responsibility for lack of blocking and shepherding at the U11 coaches of our players.

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With blocking and shepherding...

If Judd is our biggest asset.. im sure he would appreciate abit of a chop out as well!!!!

He will be a battered man aged 26 at this rate....

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Good one DUC!
Exactly Synbad. You'd think that with Judd in our team, the premier onballer in the competition, that we'd go out of our way to block and shepherd. OUT OF OUR WAY! Forget getting the football, PROTECT JUDD! that should be the instructions to some of our players.
What's the point of having the best player in the comp when we refuse to help him out. And you're right, he will not be playing for much longer if he continues to get the ball and get dumped to the ground 30 times a game!

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We've got him for six years. Might as well get as much out of him as we can, as no-one expects him to stick around after that.

SYNBAD - CLAP CLAP CLAP
SYNBAD - CLAP CLAP CLAP

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..in this instance i reckon it's far better for harts to lead up, and use his penetrating kicking ability to lead pass to fev out on an open, searching lead from goal square to 50m, or fish falling back into the space to mark/crumb at top of goal square.. ..see, problem with fish being lead up player is his short kicking, with him out on a wing, he can only pass to the 50m arc, where you'd have fev and harts competing too close together..

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Both Harts and Fev have a booming kick so that 50m shots at goal, shouldn't trouble them as much as Fish.

Fish, if he doesn't take a grab, tends to not have too much second efforts and the ball quickly moves out of our F50 [if Fev is not in tackling mode].

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..it's pretty much how wce got the best out of judd,, ,,and not just in the middle, fev could benefit from a few well placed blocks, very much in the mold of how the swans go about it..

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..yeah, but if fish is out on a wing, kicking it to the 50m arc, he won't even have the range to kick across the entire 50m arc, say he can cover half.. ..you've got both harts and fev in the same area, dragging their opponents together.. ..it's just not open any longer.. ..lookit, fish struggles at ground level in creating defensive pressure (he has good goal crumbing sense though).. ..his ability to chase is a let down anywhere on the ground, so best it be as far from their goals as possible, and when near our goals his roving ability can crumb goals..

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everyone does it....

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