Con: You can't start playing at 1/4 time and expect to win too many games.

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I take back the 'we are shit' part but do honestly believe that we are the worst when it comes to talking up mediocer players as stars

Never met a Collingwood supporter then?
Or a Richmond supporter?

Or heard a Sheedy press conference?

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Like who?

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Pro

I think Bryce is looking more and more at home at this level.
It can't be said enough that he'll be a gun in coming years ..our numero uno!


Con

Stevens Scotland Carrazzo Fisher - just good ordinary players.
As long as they're given major roles, we'll be a 'middle of the rung' team IMO.

Melvey,

Why does it bother you so much that we talk up players? Its not as though we on a fansite really make a difference to the way a team plays.

I dont believe you are a collingwood fan but i reckon you do hope we lose every week so you can get on here and bag out people for saying so and so is good when you think he isnt. I reckon you smile and chuckle to yourself when you writet hat we are "so far away its not funny".
You love it! It makes you feel good. Dont think you are a collingwood fan though, i dont care how much you want us to think you are.

Who was Stevens' opponent?

What were his opponent's stats?

That should sort out this argument.

I haven't read one person who has named his opponent and the damage he did. I'd like to know.

Sometimes Stevens is tagged and he tries to break the tag (in his mind), but the opponent's alterior motive is to be left to his own devices...and that's when the damage is done.

I like it when Stevens is tagging and breaks from a defensive role rather than the other way around.

Great shots at goal though.

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Pro
Came back from the dead to get in front
Fev Simpson Gibbs
Con
Lacksadasical attitude of team in first quarter obvious from first bounce -team got ahead of themselves
After last 2 wins thought they could reel them in
4 defenders going the spoil leaving bombers to get 4 crumb goals in first quarter
Worst quarter from Carrazzo Ive seen the first -did well to fight back but...
Fish not great first half
Smashed out of middle early
Monfries starring /lovett doing nothing all day and then kicking 3 in last
resistance in last 5 minutes of game
tackling -both giving away free kicks and those being broken
2 LOSSES TO THE BOMBERS in almost identical fashion

Pros

We played so badly and actually led with 20 minutes to go

Fevola- How may fullforwards in the games history have been able to a) take a spekky
b) mark on the lead
c) Kick from over fifty
d) goal on the run
e) crumb a goal and produce the freak snap

Jezza,Gary Ablett, Alan Jackovich, Phil Carman Franklin
Thats how good his best is. Even Lockett, lloyd and Dunstall lacked Fevs complete package.


Cons
Skill level and kicking in particular just not up to top eight standard. IF we are to be a finals sides 4 players who can not kick can not be part of our future

The match committee disrespected the importance of key position players by not playing Hampson. He must play every week if we are to develop a finals side

Adam Bentick for one. Jordan Bannister gets a fair go on here

mate i got better things to than get off over what you suggest. its my view just like you have one and so does everyone else simple as that if you dont like what i write then don't respond even better skip my posts

I know we can all create our own sites hey Melve. I'll show you mine if you show me yours

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

PRO
- we were good enough to get in front by the 12 min of the last qtr by playing 10 good minutes
- the young kids were servicable and Simmo played with heart
- Fev was awesome
- I went to the footy expecting us to win (not once did I think that last yr)
- we did not get rewarded for playing footy that will not win in the long term. we will learn more as a result of losing.

CONS
- dependence on Judd and lack of ruckman severly exposed today. Unfortunately Bentick also had little impact and this is where we lost it today.
- when we deviate from being hard at the contest, keeping our head over the ball and showing intensity at the contest we lose. i sometimes think the team and coaching panel get carried away with 'plays' and skills and forget the basics of being first to the ball. we have done this a few times this year.
- some of the team did not seem switched on in the first qtr and as Ratts said having a few players down is not something we are good enough to cope with
- Stevens tried and did ok but the gap between his work and Judd is HUGE

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not with a head like that

I had to calm down after watching the game yesterday... it was the most frustrating Carlton game I think I've ever been to.

To those Melvey knockers, he does have method in his madness. All he is saying is the 22 out on the park on Sunday will not take us to the holy grail. This leads me to the CONS.

The question I had was how can we let Essendon* kick 19.16? Simple, lazy, unaccountable footballers in our team... Scotland is at the top fo the list and is a list clogger... Stevens for all his great offensive work really doesn't put his head over the ball... Carrazzo, well enough said but does not have a defensive bone is his body and is crap offensively... Cloke whilst tries just 'aint got it... Fisher I've never seen block for Fev which makes his job harder (there were a number of times Essendon* forwards blocked and created mismatches, particularly for Lloyd) and I've never seen him tackle let alone chase. These guys should take a leaf out of Steven Borwne's book... was watching him closely and was surprised how good he is off the ball. And that's the key, some of the players mentined might be good or OK with the ball in their hands but are useless off the ball players... the best sides in the comp are the best sides off the ball. That's how Geelong went from crap to Premiers in 12 months.

PROS
Bryce Gibbs showed yesterday what a superstar he will become. He ignited us in the 3rd quarter. And his tackling is superb. Thought Matt Kreuzers 3rd quarter also changed the game our way... very similar to last week. When he is in the ruck we are a different team. Dennis Armfield and Steven Browne, these guys are team first individual second. And Kade Simpson keeps busting a gut.

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Pro: I laughed and laughed and laughed when I read here that the reason we lost was because too many people on here talk up Carlton players who are no good.

barass Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject:

That's how Geelong went from crap to Premiers in 12 months

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This has to be the post of the day ... you honestly think Geelong went from crap team to a Premiership in 12 months


to compare Geelong going from a crap team to a premiership is total rubbish
Geelong since 2002 - 2007 where there abouts in the 8 until 2007 and continue that until 2008 mean while Blues have been bottom 4 / 8 for the same period more bottom 4
Geelong Blues
2002 9 16
2003 12 15
2004 4 11
2005 6 16
2006 10 16
2007 1 15
2008 so far 1 10

Now if you think Geelong was crap to get to the Premiership and dont look back over last 6 years between the 2 clubs you really have very little idea of how a club builds to even get into a position for a Premiership

Geelong have been building over 4 -6 years ... the Blues have been utter crap for the same period only now in 2008 can we look to build and aim from 2008 onwards to getting into the 8 and play finals... may not even be until 2009

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CFC TAC Squad everyone over 25 must be traded sounds like Loguns Run

Pros:
The fighting spirit of the team at the moment (until they turned it up in the last 5 minutes).

The crowd roar when we were coming back in the last quarter.

Fev, Stevens, Gibbs.

Carrazzo's recovery after a poor start.

Didn't do much this week, but was impressed again with Armfield's pace. He is blistering.

Cons:
3 very poor misses early in the first quarter, when we could have really stabilised things on the scoreboard.

Can't believe how many goals they got from marking crumbs 20 metres out from goal. There was a little bit of luck with a couple of them. But usually that is defender's paradise. The defensive group didn't have a good game. Not sure if they're a bit unsettled with the players going in and out at the moment through injury. Midfielders as a group didn't work hard enough defensively to get back and help clean up those balls.

Who was on Stanton at the stoppages? I don't think I've seen any other team this year let Stanton run free. He usually gets a really tough tag.

Not enough support and blocking for Judd. Murphy and Stevens are enjoying the extra space, but Juddy needs some help.

Now that the dust has settled I think it is clear why we lost....we just didn't get our hands on the footy. This is largely due to the Bombers wanting it more than us!

Look at these disposal stats:

Bentick: 6 poss's
Judd (inj): 12 poss's
Armfield: 5 poss's
Russell: 3 poss's
Scotland: 16 poss's
Grigg: 10 poss's
Jamison: 5 poss's - I know he is a defender but he does use the ball well and provide solid rebound.

Anyway that's about 60 disposals down on what we'd normally expect - that's the equivalent of 2-3 midfielders!
Sure Carazzo's turnovers, Fisher's poor kicking, Stevens/Scotland poor defensive pressure/accountability, Setanta's errors etc doesn't help but they aren't the main reason why we lost IMO.

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Pro: When we do lose it's hurting like it should unlike the dull ache that followed every seemingly inevitible loss of the previous seasons.

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