Why is it a pointless criticism?

He works hard to mark the ball on the wing/HF then doesn't hurt the opposition enough with his kicks inside 50...what good is it getting the ball if you are going to give it up a lot of the time.

Half the team are poor at kicking it inside 50.

It is a massive problem being over reliant on one player. It pisses me off week in week out but it doesn't stop players like Fisher working harder to improve his disposal. It's great that he works hard to get up the ground but he should be doing more with his possessions.

Dude i only want the best and nothing but the best for our club. We are winning games that we would have lost last year but other teams are also improving. Now if you read my posts over the many months i have been harping on about this for a long time now

Why is it we keep persisting with the same players who clearly are not going to offer anything more than what we know. Some how the tigers & bombers have more promising forward options than us. Neagle looked good, plays like a genuine forward with a strong body. Gumbleton even though is injured will be a champ. The tigers have Jack Reiwoldt who looks good. Cale Morton has been a surprise packet

Maybe its just me but our deficiencies stand out like dogs balls. I don't get sucked in by 3 quarters of brilliant football over the rest that not so brilliant. You know your club is a long way off when you list the gapping holes we have compared to the number of opportunities we have to fill them with the draft.

Who are Essendon*'s great midfield options under 20? How about their ruckmen? Defenders?

Who are ours???

bit of context please

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Fisher's effective disposal % was 69%... higher than Gibbs, Judd, Simpson, etc

Does your criticism about poor inside 50s apply to them too?

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Pros:

Fev - great game again
Gibbs, Armfield, Stevens, Simmo all played well. Setanta kept Lucas quiet.
I think we've got more upside than Essendon* come 2010.

Cons:

Smashed in the ruck....again. We've lost 3 or 4 games this year because of our deficiencies in the ruck.
Monfries destorying us - he's a C Grader at best and we should be able to manage him better. Walker would have been the perfect match up.
Reliance on Fev - Hartlett has to be tried again to give us a second option and he can kick 55m which we need.

Pros
Fev did his job and a few others jobs up forward.
Armfield...showed some leg speed which others lacked
Gibbs....been pleased with his progress and joined the bandwagon
a few weeks ago and i thought he was composed under fire
today and did a good job.
Simpson....tried hard and put his body in.....some of his teammates
took the easy route but he never did..

Cons..
Hille and Laycock were far too good in the ruck.
We underestimated some of the random no name Essendon* players
and paid the price early...Reimers, Myers, Neagle showed some our blokes a clean pair of heels and wanted the footy more.
Lloyd playing up the ground along with Neagle being another target upset our balance down back....while Neagle wasnt dominant he gives thema three pronged attack which stretched us.
Apathetic attitude......thought we just had to turn up and Judd, Fev etc would do the business again.

Selection blunder by dropping Hampson.......Kruezer should have spent more time forward to give us another target but ended up required in the ruck more due to Hilles dominance...battled on but Hampson would have given us options.

No need to panic though......kids have downers and with Judd sore and nursing some concussion we lost some direction.
Need to restructure with some more help for Fev up forward...Hartlett, Kruezer, Hampson, Edwards to choose from.

Essendon* with their multi pronged attack and extra leg speed match up well against us but we will beat them next time as Ratten and co will have a better understanding of some of their new players and our young rucks will be more experienced and negate Hille......Hille is a bit underated IMO and doesnt play too many bad games....

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PRO's
Gibbs - most of the time
Murphy - wasnt any where near his best but he oozes class regardless
Fev - as much as I hate him he is good
Simmo - always providing some run but made a few bad decisions today
Our mini comeback - it was good while it lasted

CON's
Loseing - enough said
Not to sure whats going on with Fisher but he was a little bit better
I know I sound like a collingwood supporter but the umpireing was horrible.
Angus Monfries - free kick magnet but also played quite well
Judd - didnt see him
Murphy's pass off to Fev in goal - WTF

Though I had the loss as a con I think it is a good reality check which we really needed. I was one of the Carlton supporters who was touting us as possible finals contenders but now I realise that we still have a while ago.

I finally found the Carlton ferrals today, used to think they were non existant but I was proved wrong today.

Definitely

As I said earlier half the team make wrong decisions and/or skill errors when we deliver the ball inside 50.

A champion team will always beat a team of champions. Who were Sydney's great midfielders under 20??

CON:
Anus Monfries is one of those players that you just cannot touch. he's a favourite with the umpires and it showed in the stats.

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PROS: I haven't seen he game yet.

CONS: My late mother always used to say if you havn't anything nice to say, don't say anything.

Sincerely yours,

GUTTED!!

pros-
gibbs: please ratts stop using him to plug other holes just because he;s so versatile and use him more in the midfield. everytime he goes in the midfield we play much better.

-ability to wrestle back the lead in the 4th quarter. shows how much belief we have now and that we can almost win from anywhere and we should never give up.

cons:
-players got big heads after hitting the lead.

-defensive running

-carrazzo: please trade him while he's still worth somethig.

-the limited amount of game time bentick was given.

-murphy's kicking today = horrendous

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so then we have no deficiencies we just need to play as a team

Melvey's drum only works when we lose

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Pros:

- The short lasted comeback late in the third, and early in the fourth.
- I guess the backline in the 2nd and 3rd quarters... The run had to come from there as the midfield was not performing.
- Not being outscored overall in the last 3 quarters.
- Atmosphere?? Finding it hard to find many more...

Players: In no particular order.

- Gibbs: Always shows poise.
- Simpson: Some great runs today, very exciting
- Eddie: How good are his marks overhead? He did some good clearances when thrown into the middle.
- Stevens: Played okay, most damaging midfielder
- Fevola: Was a bit negative in his body actions but overall he played very well.

Cons:

- Pressure especially in the first, they ran all over us.
- The midfield were down and pretty much out. If that is what is going to happen whenever Judd isn't firing than we are in trouble.
- We are very one dimensional in the forward line, bomb to Fevola...
- Butchering the ball when we had it. Far too many turnovers and we were made to pay.
- Getting my hopes up early in the last by hitting the front, it was high fives all round 15 minutes in. We then lose by 6 goals 15 minutes later.
- Losing to that flowering mob twice in our best season since 2001.
- The kickouts just didn't work today. They all gathered at CHF and not one player could get free. Just bombing out usually to the advantage of a Bummer Flower...

Players: In no particular order.

- Russel: One kick wonder... And he has been great in the last two weeks.
- Murf: Got the ball enough, just didn't dispose of it well enough. Effecieny was down.
- Juddy: Had concussion, so fair enough he wasn't in the best.
- Bentick: Not doing much
- The Tant: Didn't really match up well with any of the Essendon* forwards. Only had one or so kicks.
- Cloak: Let Hille smash in the clearances and hitouts. Hille got far too many possies too.
- Waite: Some silly decissions, and little impact.
- Karrots: Disposal was shocking today. Must rectify the problem soon.

Today we didn't. The Bombers worked hard for each other, the amount of blocking around there entry into the fifty was fantastic. The hard work off the ball was great.

We have Fev jumping over or crashing into team mates, Carazzo and Scotland constantly try smash the packs to spoil and not stay down. There is no forward line setup what so ever

Kruise in 2 years not before

Can Hartlet stand up?

Edwards?

Hampson?

Austin?

We need try some but this year has never been about suddenly having the complete package and any flower who thought it was doesn't get it.

We have done a lot to repair that backline and with Bower/Walker/Bannister and Austin? Plus games to Arms and Browne and
it will be stonger.
We have repaired an old midfield, it now works but we need Hampson/Kruise/Jacobs/Aisake?
to stand up - 2 years.

Rome's premiership team was not built in a aday.

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Pros:

Been a big improvement on last year.
Armfield
Gibbs
Simpson
Kruezer
The kids show more than senior players

Cons:

Rattens inability to make positive moves early enough:

Stevens should NEVER start in centre square. We get beaten early in clearances and lose momentum when he does. Should be used later in game when he can run and deliver.
Use of Bentick today was ordinary, been good for a few weeks but was on and off all day. Only played 60% of game.
Our foward line, why do we kick it to Fev ALL the time? Our forward line is not existant and doesn't move. Will not do us any good in the future.
We have enough defenders WHY do we not use Waite to help Fev. He would be a genuine option and stretch any defence.
Carrazzo should NEVER be in defence.
Judd obviously hurt but kept throwing him into middle with no effect.
Russell took a step back today.
Virtually ended our finals chances today.


I hope Ratten shows that the effort today was NOT acceptable. He needs to set a standard at the club and a few changes this week will do that.

Essendon* are shite and they showed us up.

PROS:
Stevo's offensive side
Armfield showed heart
Wiggo presented well
Fev done well with what he was given (shoulders must be getting sore carrying forward line)
Betts presented well
Browne showed a little
Simmo improved throughout
Ressies won with alot of guys ready to come in

CONS:
Stevo's defensive side
Judd??? was he injured... maybe we rely to much on him.
Scotland had a shocker too slow
Carrots 10 clangers, need I say more
Waite down back when named up forward
Austin would of been handy, Ando too.
Kreuzer had a blinder up forward the other game and rarely gets the opportunity to follow it up.
Got killed in the centre, at some point we should of started just kicking it forward at every chance like they did the whole game.
Bentick may get involved but he can't dispose of it effectively, he loops 20m kicks, its useless having the ball at the bottom of the pack, id rather Gibbs getting more experience in the middle.
Cloke may play with heart but he is really a waste of money and a position, not a ruckman and not a dominant forward or back, same as above, would rather a kid getting game time.
Could go on.............

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Pros:
-Comeback after being down by 7 goals at one stage
-Armfield and his intensity
-Simmo and his run throughout the whole game
-Fev turning it on again
-Kreuzers 2nd half
-Next week and maybe a change or two.

Cons:
-Falling away completely after hitting the lead in the last
-Jamison cannot get his fist over his shoulder for fear re-injuring the shoulder, ala his interview on CFCTV last weekend and it showed today (MC must make a decision to put him in the op room or risk conceding goals by his opponent - tough call)
-Smashed at the clearances (gee we missed Judd after that heavy knock)
-As I said to my mate at the game, we still have a fair way to go, even if we go up today
-Too one dimensional in our forward 50. Need to change this fast or players will habitually kick to Fev longer term.
-Smashed in the ruck, again. We need to speed the development of our ruck stocks as it's one of our achilles heel.
-Players believing the stories written in the media during the week.
-UMPIRES, especially that mongrel CHAMBERLAIN.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

Melvey... sorry to point this out to you but you are arguing against your own point with this post.

perhaps when you reach adulthood you'll understand

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