Yes, racking up millions of dollars of crippling debt while at the same time being overtaken by Essendon* and Collingwood off-field in a massive way was a brilliant strategy. Not to mention paying a wooden spoon team 25% more than the salary cap.

The supporters were stupid to vote him out and they should all be ashamed of themselves.

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The club had been run into the ground..we had an albtross arund our necks that was Princes Park and the debt that came with it..
Our list was missmanaged.

Quite simpy we were an outdated footy club.

The pain had to come with bringing the club up to modern times...

The AFL helped us realise that.

Elliot is no messiah!!!....

He was out of answers.....

Whats happened will set us up for the next decade or two.. then you have be ahead of everybody else and the game to continue keeping succesful...

What were doing now will be outdated as soon as we stop evolving.. improving... inovating....

Which is what Eliot had no idea about,,,

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If BHP wrote off all their assets they would be in crippling debt- same applies to Westfield or any organisation for that matter . Collo walked in wrote down the value of the stands by 11 mill and said geez look at the debt we are in - then set about sending us to the Dome when it was obvious and even more obvious now that if they were going to move they should have went to the G-

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So what are the stands worth ????????????.....

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Syd.. you do know and comprehend our best chance of going to the G was when we were asked to go to the G... and Elliot the visionary said "nah... not to the G.. whats there??.. im building my ivory tower at PP"

The guy was a muppet!!!

Yes i know he loves the club and thought he was doing whats best for this club..... (but it was now the AFL.. not the VFL..... and the world has changed and it was going to continue changing at a rapd pae)

Elliot had us rooted to aplace that was becoming obsolete... his "Carlton never rebuild" mantra was the stuff la la is made of...

.. and his understanding of stuff like list management .. drafts and salary caps was zilch!!!

Unfortunately the good teams especially those interstate teams without the legacies of the past were going about their business moving and setting themselves up into the future....not the past!!!

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If they were still playing there the stands had value - Ask Geelong

If he had us rooted he ought to be congradulated for not holding a grudge and help convince Pratt to come and rescue them - and there is no denying that . and for Pratt to have him right by his side for everyone to see there can not be any doubt that between the two of them they have turned this club back round to where it was before they left

Supporters should be grateful

When Elliot went the money / sponsors went with him

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memo to Syd.. were not a country town that will get money from the govt for local business....

We didnt have sponsors.....when Elliot left....

I seriously doubt you comprehend the world as it is....

Why would a big company want corporate seats at a delapidated PP over the other state of the art venues they can choose to entertain???

Did you ever see ours???

Look.. stop it!!!

Youre embarassing yourself...

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he is still a bit of a clown - why is he revealing this? (unless its a done deal )

also the bit about - quick or it will cost you more - gives a bit of an insight into the way he operates

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

If Elliot was president surely we can anoint Dick emperor?

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

Agree with the sentiment.
Many forget that 8 clubs were caught with salary cap breaches....twas carlton who were hung to dry.

I bet if Elliott was president at the time, the gates wouldn't have opened to the Trojan horse....and black friday would have been "just another forgotten friday".

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Totally disagree.

By his actions towards the AFL over the years, Jack indirectly was responsible for the severity of the penalties handed down. Jack constantly thumbed his nose at the AFL hierarchy, and Jackson and The Spew specifically. If JE was president at the time, I'm certain that the AFL would have made it impossible for him to continue being associated with the Club.

Nothing would have been different about the penalties.

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Elliott was and still is all bluff and bluster


As a businessman he has basically been at the helm of business that have gone bust


In short he has got where he got through intimidation


He isnt a smart businessman and Carlton was one of his fuckups


The problem i have with Elliott is he failed to admit to his mistakes


In Jack's mind he has done nothing wrong

He said he would relinquish the presidency after the next flag after 87

Should have stuck to his word.

I agree....in part.
Jack's biggest strengths were also his biggest weakness
At that time, his approach won us 2 flags though.
Elliott was the AFL's biggest threat, while they were building their socialist empire. He was always dissenting and competing against them... so they hurt the club and made an example of us.

I'm not sure they would have penalised the club the same with Elliott at the helm. I don't think they would have had such a co-operative administration and the JE would have pulled out his usual legal threats and the like.

But that's all in the history books.

If it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger.
The next premiership will be very very sweet...and the rest of the AFL world will be wondering "WHAT THE HELL HAVE WE CREATED".

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He was the harbinger of the worst period in the our great club's history and just because we have strung a few wins together does not mean I will forgive or forget. I know he's a mate of Pratt's but his failure to acknowledge he did anything wrong still makes my blood boil.

If he buys a couple of thousand memberships so we go past Collingwood and Essendon*, I'll consider forgiveness.

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#GUILTY

Isn't it amazing how time muddles tiny brains

Forgive or forget.............Pfft Wouldn't waste my last breath on the prick

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

thats an interesting figure of speech

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But, when it was all going so well. We loved him so. SCAPEGOAT....

Easy to blame one man than an entire admin.


I did not think a lot of his decisions were great, but come on! Eyes wide open children!

Synbad, still many, many, axes to grind in this world. Still someone to blame.

Ancient history. Is this the best we've got to argue about now?


Means times are getting better.