I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest that Ratts will take this season to look at the list and see who wants to operate under his philosophies.

I hope that those who don't do the team things, who don't shepherd, block, or stay within the team rules, are moved on.

Everyone's been happy to name names, but I presume that the MC and the coaching staff are not blind and hopefully they see fit at the end of the season to weed out who doesn't belong.

It's not beyond the pale to suggest that Carlton may aggressively look to trade some of its more experienced players at the end of the year (if anyone wants them). This might include Houlihan, Scotland and even Stevens.

FWIW, I don't think those three will be lost to the club, and Stevens in particular I want to keep, but I suspect that someone will be offered to better our drafting position.

I don't really want us to trade for other clubs dead wood.

BV yu know i appreciate your understanding of the game...

But when i go.. which admittedly hasnt been as often as id like to go this year.. ive been watching players away from the ball.. rather than the ball all the time...

They got no clue mate..... (well alot of them dont)....

i reckon in ur side there are about 6 players maximum that have awareness of whats happening on the ground..

i dont think we protect the ball carrier...
i dont think we run with the football and at a defece so they have to back peddle...
we zone off too much
we choose footballers that have NO PRESENCE over footballers that do...

Why would you chop Pfeifer and keep Russell for the Geelong game???

Its laughable....!!!.. one puts his head over the ball shepherds and blocks and the other wilts....


i dont think we work hard enough in alot of aspects of the game..

its just easy to say we have smaller bodies so we dont run..

I know its all about planning during the week... i just see nothing right now except this...

Before Pagan used to berate and belittle....
He made them kick the ball long...

Now.. we have Ratts...
who is trying to be too nice and we over possess..

It seems to me like Ratten is trying hard to not be a Pagan and is going too far the other way....

We didnt lose those stoppages because Stevens was out of the centre square.... and replaced with Murph and Gibbs...

Last year we had no Stevens or Judd anyway...

We lost them because the side is out of whack balance wise... partly to do with injuries and partly not...

I really cant see structures or set ups beyond one link up... its never set up down the ground to proceed cos Russell wont run and bounce...to break it up.... and if he wont.. there ios no place for him in the side....
Now im pinpointing Russell cos that should be his strength and were currently lacking in that area without Walkz...

Its no rocket science that the way were structured even f the kids develop the way they play they will be flat track bullies... good against the dhit clubs and will really be poor against the good ones.. if Fev or Judd or Kreuzer dont pull games out of their arses...

The game plan is a muddle and it has been since before the season started...

Too many players standing static.. and that is because they have no clue where to go and where to run too...

The forard line is an absolute dogs breakfast... it just aint functioning...

You have Fev on 3...

and Betts tackling and chasing... and what else is going on in there???

Its a farce!!!

Sure we can look the other way...

Niot bring it up....

wait...
.. just dont comment on stuff...... cos its Ratts....

BUT... we need to improve in so many areas that curretly were stcuk in..,. and it seems out of answers...

Thats what leads to holding the ball up and 6 mins of circle work...berfore half time.....

no answers....

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With a 2 year cntract Ratts doesnt have time to reshape the list to see who fits in with his philosophies.

He has a young list but its a list you can work with... he has to shape the game not the list...

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Our players are less experienced and less physically developed than Geelongs (and most other clubs). That's pretty much the crux of it.

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ive bene concerned about the game plan since that bulldogs pre season practice game... and the NAB cup games and still i think we havent evolved too much...

too many static players (not knowing where to go or run or create options or space ) and not enough gut busting running... but alot of cheap flicks which gets them into that rut in the first place i think...

the forward line is unimaginative....

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Finally a post that makes sense and isn't just a ramble on Ratts being a dud coach. Well Done!

BTW I agree with the players being static when we don't have the ball and need to get alot better when we do have it.

I think we have made huge improvements in the middlle and not because judd, but the players seem to have good set plays to shark the opposition ruckmens hit outs. The backline has massively improved and considering the amount of injuries we have had in that area alone, is a win for me.

The forward line is a mess, there doesn't seem to be anyone that can take a mark in there with the exception of Fev and Cloke. Hartlett will help when he comes back, but frankly I would delist him as he has many years in the system and still hasn't developd a body that can handle AFL footy. I know alot won't agree with me, but I thought the forward line looked better when Carlos was in there. He didn't lead into the same areas as Fev and kept it more open for others to work in, the question is whether he can learn to take a contested mark and he has all the qualities to make a decent forward - quick, strong, accurate and tall.

Back to the origional post about 1%, I think that we do them in patches, that seems to be the problem - in AFL you cannot pick and choose when you have a go, you have to do it when it's your turn - no questions!

It was stated that Carlton are imploying a more defensive game plan now...Ratts used Sydney and Adelaide as examples of teams who play more defensive, tempo footy who play finals regularly.

Also, we dont want to do an Essendon*, all out attack and get smashed. Have you guys forgotten the attacking game plan under pagan last year? It was like Essendon* this year...that is not the way to go forward.

Need to get the right mix and that is something we havnt got quite right, but are obviously trying to achieve

And dont forget the core of Geelongs side have been playing for about 6 years now and they only came good last year.

In 2 years time we will be right up there.

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Synners, it isn't that I disagree with your assessment of what gamestyle we have (or lack).

Where I think we disagree is where this list under Ratten started from compared to the rest of the league.

We were that far behind the pack we probably could have used a GPS to get back to AFL reality. Six years of archaic coachigna nd no leadership.

We are not going to be a smart, physically capable team for a couple of years. Whether that's under Ratt's or someone else will of course infold, but your expectations of these kids are unrealistic.

They've gone from the longest kicking to the shortest kicking team in one year - that alone should show you the how much has been pumped into them. Not all of it will stick, and no doubt not all of Ratts wants to do has even been communicated.

These kids aren't computers you can shove a memory stick into and then set them loose. Give them some time.

Tell me, how can we members take things seriously when some of the senior playing group clearly bludge at crucial times during a match???

Why is it allowed to continue??

It's embarrassing!!

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There's so much I could say...

The problem is its been happeing over a period of years and the coaching staff havent made a stand

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We analyse this.. we analyse that.. we go through everything with a fine toothed comb but surely .. SURELY .. it starts with a fully committed 22 selected players willing to sacrifice for each other. The other stuff comes after that.
We're pissing in the wind!!!

down wind...I hope?

having been on this website for a few years I respect some posters and others I dont have much time for

Blue vain is one I have respect for but mate you miss the point some of us are making
Budzy has summed it up in 4 lines

Too many softies you dont bleed for the team

And its been going on for years

And its not about men playing kids

Or playing the premiership team on the rebound

I read these posts time and time again over the last 3 years and I think

Some of you are blind seriously

Or we are like StKilda supporters in the eighties

Until we get 22 guys willing to have a complete crack we wont be going anywhere man

Its that simple

ITS NOT THAT WE LOST TO GEELONG
ITS HOW WE LOST

Whilst I have been going head to head with the Sailor Man and keogh on the other threads, I agree about the 1% and the amount that each player has been contributing.

There are not enough sacrifices for each other, which was strongly highlighted/re-enforeced with Bower being made to stand the mark with a busted shoulder while his vice captain stodd off to one side.

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Ah now we are getting somewhere DUC

Look sometimes I get it wrong

I am sure Sinners gets it wrong

We are just passionate men who luv the club and want the best

And we dont want to see things on the field we have been seeing not for 3 weeks

for 8 years

We have had enough

The thing is and this is the key


We are a footy forum

We dont make the decisions

Ratts does

And everyone that is under him at the footy department has that responsibility

Seeing that Bower incident and the lack of leadership afterwards makes me sick in the stomach

Over dramatic
Nah

I been supporting this club for 38 years

I want to be proud of this club

I wasnt proud on sat night

Neither should any supporter

But we dont make the hard decisions

Watched the second half of DawksvScum last night

Ess had a crack
but
Lovett is someone I wouldnt want playing for our club

The 1%s are sadly lacking in his game.

Just posted this in the Recruitment forum:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthrea ... 72&page=22

SOS like effort!!

"A VC player was running into goal at the death knock and was looking like kicking the goal to put the VC when Carlton Scholarship holder Josh Feneroli laid a crunching tackle, the ball spilled and NSW hung on for the win."

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this is a list of average amount of one-percenters per game by blues players this year:

1 Jarrad Waite 7.4
2 Michael Jamison 6.6
3 Adam Bentick 5.7
4 Bret Thornton 5.0
5 Jordan Russell 4.9 take note knockers!
6 Setanta O'Hailpin 4.9
7 Shaun Grigg 4.2
7 Matthew Kreuzer 4.2 very impressive
9 Andrew Carrazzo 4.1
10 Steven Browne 4.0
11 Chris Judd 3.9
12 Richard Hadley 3.8
13 Bryce Gibbs 3.8
14 Simon Wiggins 3.8
15 Kade Simpson 3.5
16 Paul Bower 3.4
17 Cameron Cloke 3.2
18 Eddie Betts 3.1
19 Heath Scotland 2.8
20 Jordan Bannister 2.6
20 Nick Stevens 2.6
20 Brendan Fevola 2.6
23 Darren Pfeiffer 2.3
23 Bradley Fisher 2.3
25 Marc Murphy 2.3
26 Jake Edwards 2.0
27 Ryan Houlihan 1.7
28 Shaun Hampson 1.5

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We are skirting around the edges here and the list above is very informative. Two names - Scotland and Stevens. Minimal leadership and Stevens wanted to be captain of our club - NFI!

"Nice" footskills are important but so is looking after your team mates. You need the outsiders but you also need to have players to go in and get it and do the 1%'ers. Sadly our leaders (I use this term very loosely) over the past few years have not been leading by example.

Until we have a strong leadership group to back up Juddy we will struggle. I hope he stays in one piece until then. Hope also Richard Hadley get fit and firing as he is one we really need.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

This happens week in week out ... One guy running down with the ball .... 2 or 3 players standing around and one of those cops a handpass. His reaction then is "WTF am I suppossed to do now" and gets tackled.

So in the end there's 2 problems. ....
(a) The initial guy with the ball not being aware that his team mate(s) is about to get clobbered once he lays it off. and
(b) His team mates not running for him

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