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PROS:
-adam bentick, o'hailpin, betts, pfeiffer
-finally beat fremantle (first win since 2001)
-had a win despite our very average performance

CONS:
-carrazzo, fevola, fisher
-forwards didnt fire (except for betts)
-waite will probs get a week or two


grigg had a good last quarter but was average throughout IMO

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grigg had a good last quarter but was average throughout IMO


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you need to watch the game again

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5. Bentick - I don't rate him so I apologise. I was wrong today. The difference was that instead of being at the bottom of the pack giving it back to the umpire, he handballed to a teammate. Good clearances.



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grigg had a good last quarter but was average throughout IMO


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you need to watch the game again

he wasnt amazing...whenever he gets the ball he looks backwards or sidewards...classic example when he had the ball in the centre of the ground and looked behind when he had a man on his own just inside the fifty.

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shuffagus wrote:
PROS:
-adam bentick, o'hailpin, betts, pfeiffer
-finally beat fremantle (first win since 2001)
-had a win despite our very average performance

CONS:
-carrazzo, fevola, fisher-forwards didnt fire (except for betts)
-waite will probs get a week or two


grigg had a good last quarter but was average throughout IMO


You have a strange choice of cons.
-Fish kicked two goals and took quite a few nice marks running up the field. What more do you want?
-Carrazzo seemed pretty good all game to me, watching in the stands. Kicked a beautiful goal on the run while everyone else on the field was choking on their own mediocrity.
-Fevola didn't have his kicking boot on, but was double teamed all day because his backup forward (Edwards) can't kick simple goals and therefore wasn't a threat. Fev worked hard when he didn't have the ball all day. Couldn't ask for much more.


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Andain wrote:
shuffagus wrote:
PROS:
-adam bentick, o'hailpin, betts, pfeiffer
-finally beat fremantle (first win since 2001)
-had a win despite our very average performance

CONS:
-carrazzo, fevola, fisher-forwards didnt fire (except for betts)
-waite will probs get a week or two


grigg had a good last quarter but was average throughout IMO


You have a strange choice of cons.
-Fish kicked two goals and took quite a few nice marks running up the field. What more do you want?
-Carrazzo seemed pretty good all game to me, watching in the stands. Kicked a beautiful goal on the run while everyone else on the field was choking on their own mediocrity.
-Fevola didn't have his kicking boot on, but was double teamed all day because his backup forward (Edwards) can't kick simple goals and therefore wasn't a threat. Fev worked hard when he didn't have the ball all day. Couldn't ask for much more.

when i said fisher i meant (should have mentioned) that aboslute sitter that he missed. carrazzo isnt near his best and fairest form. fevola (our full forward) only kicked one goal....pretty sure thats a con? :?

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grigg had a good last quarter but was average throughout IMO


:shock: :garthp:

you need to watch the game again

he wasnt amazing...whenever he gets the ball he looks backwards or sidewards...classic example when he had the ball in the centre of the ground and looked behind when he had a man on his own just inside the fifty.

thats more the gameplan than grigg - grigg is the linkman and he is playing his role very very well - he showed quick hands ,poise , good footskills and some nice defensive work today.

if he played for collingwood the media would be all over him

he has only played a handful of games and was one of our best today

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PROS

We won with Fev kicking one.

JR and Grigga. Both were hard at it all day, and both are improving rapidly. For their size they're quick ("Athletes" do have some positives).

Santy down back. This is his spot. Made some errors but provided plenty of grunt.

Pfeiffer's goal.........apart from Eddie, we've had precious few of those sort of snags for 5 years !!!

Bentick. Got lots of the pill and dished it out under pressure. He's never gonna be quick, but has a role to play.

Jake showing a bit. When we chose him instead of Fev, it was like a breath of fresh air. more of same pleeeeease.

Gibbsy's "Sam Mitchell like" handball to Stevo. THAT'S why he should not be played on the backline.

Browneeeeeeeee.

We won (and I tipped Freo).

CONS

Stevo being wasted in the defensive goalsquare minding a 33yo has been after getting 12 possies in the 2nd quarter. Ok, he was finally put there with 8 mins to go (and what a flower difference it made), but Ratts very nearly blew it. Rex and co. were calling to Ratts from the com box. Poor coaching IMHO.

Waitey will be given an option of 2 weeks. Damn shame. If T Bird ain't right for next week........ :( :( :(

Love Juddy. He's all class, but we won't see him at his best until next year.


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grrofunger wrote:
shuffagus wrote:
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grigg had a good last quarter but was average throughout IMO


:shock: :garthp:

you need to watch the game again

he wasnt amazing...whenever he gets the ball he looks backwards or sidewards...classic example when he had the ball in the centre of the ground and looked behind when he had a man on his own just inside the fifty.

thats more the gameplan than grigg - grigg is the linkman and he is playing his role very very well - he showed quick hands ,poise , good footskills and some nice defensive work today.

if he played for collingwood the media would be all over him

he has only played a handful of games and was one of our best today
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i agree with the collingwood comment

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PROS:
* We won- another one for the investment and belief in the young guys
* No, we didn't play well- or did we? I mean, we dominated possession and Freo were pretty keen to win, so, I reckon, a good win for a side who has struggled against Freo and at the Dome;
* As has been the case this year, the younger, unheralded players stood up and drove us home- a big plus, in my book;
* Bell and Farmer did SFA; our defence was superb!

CONS:
* Our forward entries- like watching a car crash, over and over again;
* For the amount of ball we win, we don't capitalise enough- a matter of belief?
* Bentick- a superb game cruelled by his not taking the aforementioned chances to hurt the opposition (the cream on the top).


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shuffagus wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
shuffagus wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
shuffagus wrote:

grigg had a good last quarter but was average throughout IMO


:shock: :garthp:

you need to watch the game again

he wasnt amazing...whenever he gets the ball he looks backwards or sidewards...classic example when he had the ball in the centre of the ground and looked behind when he had a man on his own just inside the fifty.

thats more the gameplan than grigg - grigg is the linkman and he is playing his role very very well - he showed quick hands ,poise , good footskills and some nice defensive work today.

if he played for collingwood the media would be all over him

he has only played a handful of games and was one of our best today
:roll:

i agree with the collingwood comment


watch the game again

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shuffagus wrote:
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grigg had a good last quarter but was average throughout IMO


:shock: :garthp:

you need to watch the game again

he wasnt amazing...whenever he gets the ball he looks backwards or sidewards...classic example when he had the ball in the centre of the ground and looked behind when he had a man on his own just inside the fifty.

thats more the gameplan than grigg - grigg is the linkman and he is playing his role very very well - he showed quick hands ,poise , good footskills and some nice defensive work today.

if he played for collingwood the media would be all over him

he has only played a handful of games and was one of our best today
:roll:

i agree with the collingwood comment


stop embarrassing yourself.

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stop embarrassing yourself.


:shock: :?

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Pro's

My son has only been to 3 games in his life - Collingwood, Melbourne and Freo - he doesn't know about losses

Backline - stood up today and still have Jamison, Walker, Houlihan and Thornton to come back

Cons
Ratts didn't have the Cahones to drag Murphy after two lazy forward penetrations in the last quarter. 3rd year player now should have at least got a talking to on the phone.

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Pros -
* Good signs from the young players
* Beating Freo - at the Dome

Cons -
* Constantly being forced out wide and never using the corridor, resulting in ineffective I50s.
* A lack of run at times, lots of slow ball movement chipping around the back.
* Forward structure iffy. But once we get a genuine target besides Fev we will be right IMO.


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shuffagus wrote:
Andain wrote:
shuffagus wrote:
PROS:
-adam bentick, o'hailpin, betts, pfeiffer
-finally beat fremantle (first win since 2001)
-had a win despite our very average performance

CONS:
-carrazzo, fevola, fisher-forwards didnt fire (except for betts)
-waite will probs get a week or two


grigg had a good last quarter but was average throughout IMO


You have a strange choice of cons.
-Fish kicked two goals and took quite a few nice marks running up the field. What more do you want?
-Carrazzo seemed pretty good all game to me, watching in the stands. Kicked a beautiful goal on the run while everyone else on the field was choking on their own mediocrity.
-Fevola didn't have his kicking boot on, but was double teamed all day because his backup forward (Edwards) can't kick simple goals and therefore wasn't a threat. Fev worked hard when he didn't have the ball all day. Couldn't ask for much more.

when i said fisher i meant (should have mentioned) that aboslute sitter that he missed. carrazzo isnt near his best and fairest form. fevola (our full forward) only kicked one goal....pretty sure thats a con? :?

Carlton winning with Fev kicking one goal is a positive.


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Pfeiffer's goal. The best goal interms of hardness and one touch play in at
least 5 years. It had a Jimmy Buckley, Wayne Johnston feel about it

Fev was down but he contributed off the ball. His bad games are so much better than those of previous seasons


Cons

We refuse to run the lines against teams that play behind the ball. Yes good runners like Houlihan and Bannister are injured but the coaching staff need to tell players like Grigg and Russel to run even if they get caught occassionally

Coaching Tactics not great today. Ratten let Bell drag Stevens to Full Forward. Should have posted Kreuser or Hampson or someone at Center Half forward to straighten us up. Asking too much of O'hailpin to play utility. Today we learnt to leave him in the backline


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Carlton winning with Fev kicking one goal is a positive.

i know. i'm saying that he only kicked one and is a negative. the fact that we won without fev making a huge contribution is obvs a pro..

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dane wrote:
shuffagus wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
shuffagus wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
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grigg had a good last quarter but was average throughout IMO


:shock: :garthp:

you need to watch the game again

he wasnt amazing...whenever he gets the ball he looks backwards or sidewards...classic example when he had the ball in the centre of the ground and looked behind when he had a man on his own just inside the fifty.

thats more the gameplan than grigg - grigg is the linkman and he is playing his role very very well - he showed quick hands ,poise , good footskills and some nice defensive work today.

if he played for collingwood the media would be all over him

he has only played a handful of games and was one of our best today
:roll:

i agree with the collingwood comment




stop embarrassing yourself.


Ease up boys...I was at the game and hardly noticed Grigg.

Maybe when I get the chance to watch the replay I will change my opinion....specially as I had my head in my hands for most of that final quarter. 8)


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