ratt's appointment was as much about bringing the carlton back to carlton as it was to do with his coaching credentials etc

we are coming from so far back its not funny - we had so many deep running issues and the club was in turmoil

flower hawthorn , flower woosha - this is another step in the journey and we are much further advanced in that journey than we were 12 months ago

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Look Ducs argument about "what do you know about footy you gys havent played footy in the AFL".. i akin to saying.. "why are you on this board youre a chick!!!"

The best tennis coaches wernt Wimbledon winners....


Yu can think about the game without having played AFL...



club i wanna see more purpose in using the ball... short or long...
i wanna see the ball kicked into space or the advatage of our players...
i wanna see setups so when we have the ball there is linkage by hand foot and run from defence to the forward line.. (WITH PURPOSE)
i wanna see players playing to their strengths...!!

How can Ratts say "We see Setanta as a forward"????

His best string of games were when he played at FB.. not having to worry about anything but his immediate player.. with spoils and run.. which is his strength.....

He gets st at this stage of his development between the arcs...

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i cant see ratts being around in the long term - i think he is serving his purpose - bringing the carlton back to carlton and starting the rise

someone else will finish the job off

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Still early days.

What's so frustrating is that for so many years now we know what the likes of Wiggo, Bentick and Ackland produce. So why continue with them?

Just what advantage does the development of this side obtain when we know those players are not the future of this club

We would get more pleasure seeing what players like Armfield, Aisake, Ellard, Joseph, Edwards and Austin have than churn out the same old stuf in Bentick, Wiggo and Ackland.

Can someone at least tell me what Ratten said?....Please

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I don't think we do have reliable options at the moment. Our forward line is a massive weakness. No other key forward who commands respect off the opposition (hence having less men on Fevola) and no medium size smart forward with good marking skills and/or good at ground level who contribute consistently to the team (S Johnson, Chapman, O'Keefe, Didak, Corey Jones, N Brown, Hahn, Giansiracusa, Akermanis.

If you have a weakness in your foprward line.. but you have a guy like Fevola dominating it... your perceived weakness can become your biggest strength...
....or it can remain your weakness....!!!

Fev is the games best forward... including Franklin...

Opposition defenders are drawn to him like moths to a flame...

so do you ontinue on with just Fev till he needs a hp replacement with all those bodies flying at him.. or do you open the forward line up with others...???

By doing that you eventualy take the extra blokes from Fev.....

Thats how it works...

We have forwards.. they have 2 arms .. 2 legs dont they????

So i fail to see what the problem is with bringing OTHERS into the game...

Fev is more usefull then we all think...


How do you make a defence double guess???

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Like I was thinking a couple of weeks back, it would be a good idea to have a stay at home tall who ventures very little from the goal square. He would only need to kick one a quarter to have a real impact.

Id like to see that guy be Kreuze for the moment....just for the next few games...

Number 1 they need to put a tall on him.... and away from Fev...

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stick Aisake in the FF, a tall will knock the ball out of his hands and then they'll need a small to beat him on the ground

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I suggested Cloke back then but with him out Kreuzer would be a good choice. He is very tall, a good mark and doesn't drop his head in a marking contest.

The thing is if Ratten decided to do that he would have to stick to it...even if the guy is being beaten he only needs to win one contest a quarter to have a 90% chance of scoring a goal.

Brisbane managed it with Brown being the dominant forward and Lynch staying at home.

Seem to remember not so long ago Clarkson copping it from all quarters because Hawthorn were over possessing the ball remmber round 1 in Brisbane last year - Geez look at them now.

Synbad = short memory sydrome - dont worry through you are not the only one .

Ratts is building confidence - players in there teens and early 20's are seeing 20-30 stats against their names in mondays paper and instead of a developing side ( remember we are younger than last year) seeing a 80-100 point flogging by trying to play direct football usually reserved for blokes who have been in the system for 100-150 games - they re seeing the odd victory and 20-40 point honorable losses .

If you want to see the game played the way Synbad wants go and watch Essendon*

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I have stated here before, and also I have felt for some time that Setanta (and probably Aisake) will not be at Carlton when the 'business end' of the Carlton revival begins.

I have thought for strategic reasons relating to the draft, it is a distinct possibility, even at the end of this season, that there will be some kind of a joint descision to go home back to Ireland.

This will not be a happy time, but it will not affect our progression as a team.

It will be seen stoically and philisophically as a 'learning experience' by them.

There will be a quite significant, but relatively brief amount of media coverage on this..

However, our list will be significantly strengthened in the offseason in 2008 / 09.

This is important, because the 2010 draft wont be a good one for anyone because of the new team coming in.

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But you state that as a fact when it isn't. And unless you can prove it, you are making a baseless statement to suit your argument because your having one of those moody weeks where everything at Carlton is crap and we haven't move forward in 6 years.

BTW I played and coached tennis for 15 years, doesn't make me Tony Roache or a Newk either boys. You can play footy until the cows come home but as some of the young guns playing AFL will tell you, the difference between what they were playing [TAC versus what you were playing Melvey] and what AFL is, is chalk and camembert cheese.

And Synners the innovation might come once the players can execute the basics on a regular basis.

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Posted this before but

To be honest i don't think Setanta will make it at Carlton. His versatility whilst a great asset is also a weaknest as he has not been allowed settle in 1 position for very long

These are not 100% accurate but
2005
I game V Richmond Interchange 1st shot 1st goal Forward
2006
Round 4 v Hawthorn Forward
Round 13 Interchange Think Forward
Round 14 BP
Round 15 Interchange presume Forward as he kicked a goal
Round 16 CHB
Round 17 BP
Round 18 FP
Round 19 Interchange
Round 20 HBF
Round 21 BP
Round 22 BP beating Barry Hall
2007
Round 1 FB
Round 2 FB
Round 3 FB
Round 4 FB
Round 5 FB
Round 6 FB
Round 7 Ruck
Round 8 Ruck
Round 9 FB
Round 10 Interchange/Ruck 1 Goal
Round 11 HFF 1 Goal
Round 12 Interchange/Ruck
Round 13 FP 1 goal
Round 14 Ruck 1 Goal
Round 15 Ruck 1 Goal
Round 16 BP
Round 17 FP 2 Goals
Round 18 FP 1 Goal
Round 19 Interchange 1 Goal
Round 20 FP 1 Goal
Round 21 FF 1 Goal
Round 22 Named FB but played forward IIRC open to correction though
2008
Round 1 Interchange/Ruck
Round 2 FB
Round 4 FP/CHF 1 Goal
Round 5 Interchanege/Forward 1 Goal
Round 7 BP/Forward at stages
Round 8 Interchange played forward then went back

So for career
BP 5 Games
FB 8 Games
HBF 1 Game
CHB 1 Game
Ruck 7 Games excluding games pinch hitting in Ruck
HFF 1 Game
FF 1 Game
FP 6 Games

Obviously positions are fairly fluid but even at basic level he has played
14 Back 7 Ruck 14 Forward with some games where I can remember where he played
Also has 18 Goals 8 Behinds which isn’t bad conversion rate IMO (probably more behinds by this stage)

For flower sake stick him in 1 position leave him there Let him get game time with 1 role 1 set of instructions and see what he can do either in 1sts or 2nds.

If Ratts sees him as a forward send him to the Bullants and develop him as a forwards. Let Ando or Austin or some of the backs play back if he is a forward.

It's funny but up to Round 7 ast people were lauding his performances on here as a FB. Then Ratts had the bright idea that he could become a Ruck.

Personally i reckon he should give up the ghost & come home at years end. After about a season he will be back playing FF for Cork & getting AI medals.

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Up the Rebels All-Ireland Hurling Champions 2004/2005

I'm all the way with Synbad on this one!
Ratts needs a very hard look at himself!
There are 4 players that shouldnt be in the team!
We are supposed to be developing players not bringing in the Acklands Wiggins etc!

AND if Saddington comes in in front of Austin I will be hunting for Ratts head!

Kevin, you're probably right given the current situation, but we'll see what happens between now and September ...you never know...

Setanta's development has been royally screwed IMO and is one of many victims of the shitness of the last 6 years.

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He's done something all of us could only ever dream of doing.

verbs, I've met Gene Simmons a couple of times.

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