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Bentick got slaughtered by Black. Black was the number 1 reason Brisbane killed us in the first quarter.

Like i said .. enough is enough.


Black will slaughter a lot of people when in the form he was in on Saturday night. Get a grip and be a bit more realistic.


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BlueRob wrote:
Bentick got slaughtered by Black. Black was the number 1 reason Brisbane killed us in the first quarter.

Like i said .. enough is enough.


Jeez that Judd guy is pretty useless too, what was he doing while Brown was kicking goals and Charman was directing ruck traffic, get rid of him. And while we're at it if that Fevola guy can't learn to kick straight then dump him too, I agree that enough is enough..... :garthp:


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sinbagger wrote:
BlueRob wrote:
Bentick got slaughtered by Black. Black was the number 1 reason Brisbane killed us in the first quarter.

Like i said .. enough is enough.


Jeez that Judd guy is pretty useless too, what was he doing while Brown was kicking goals and Charman was directing ruck traffic, get rid of him. And while we're at it if that Fevola guy can't learn to kick straight then dump him too, I agree that enough is enough..... :garthp:


And I head that Stevens guy has been seen a little overweight too. We don't need his type.

GAWN!

And why hasn't Kreuzer won the NRS yet? Mustn't be any good. Lose him.

Where's Murphy's Brownlow? If he hasn't won one, he must be a dud. We'd be better off without him.

GAWN, and GAWN!

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Judd's shit - sack him.

Enough is enough.







Bring back Bannister.


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Times up for the Hack. It was up 2 years ago. That is all. And until we draft more talent, that will be all


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We have too many players who are
a Too slow
b Lack penetration in their kicking

Fisher
bentick
Carrazzo
Russell(kicking)
Gibbs
Hadley
Ackland :-D

Thats why we get beaten more often than not at the Phone Dome

Thats 6 guys(dont count Ackland) who are a liability at that ground
you can get away with one or two but not 6

Too many posters quote stats.
Stats only tell part of the tale.

Benticks stats look good but I thought he was fairly ordinary
Stevens 27 possessions but overall shit

If we are to play games at the dome its almost worth playing benjamin, anderson etc who have leg speed

What Bentick has achieved is fantastic because he is a limited player.
I am afraid he will probably be cut from the list
he is too slow and his kicking has little penetration.

Black is a bit the same but he is a champion.


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hollywood43 wrote:
I dont know why everyone gets up Bentick? He tries harder than others .... he tackles and gets the hard ball as good as any in our team.
Not given a fair enough chance i think... if he gets dropped this week ill be filthy... he is the scapegoat too many times because the match commitee are too scared to make tough decisions on blokes like Fisher and Stevens
It's called the supporters "whipping boy syndrome" where supporters mindless give it to players no matter what form they're in. I usually ignore most of the crap that comes from their keybooard's under those circumstances.


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Been saying it for years: If you have to play Bentick, play him anywhere but Docklands. His lack of pace gets shown up everytime. He's always tackling cos he aint fast enough to get the ball first.


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eric pascoe wrote:
Been saying it for years: If you have to play Bentick, play him anywhere but Docklands. His lack of pace gets shown up everytime. He's always tackling cos he aint fast enough to get the ball first.


How about don't play him at all. He a super competitor and gives it all but its not good enough. Would make a great VFL player


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Trying to pin the blame for the loss on a few players is ridiculous. Actually, trying to pin nearly any loss on players 19 - 22 in a team is barking up the wrong tree nine times out of ten.

We were killed because we didn't run. We didn't run to provide an option for the player with the ball. We didn't run to stay goal side of opponents as play broke from stoppages.

We had a lot more handballs than they did, but most of our handballs went sideways or backwards to a player standing still. They handballed forwards or sideways to a player on the run. While our decision making and skills were pretty deplorable, most of the time there was such a lack of decent options presenting that there wasn't a good choice available.

And why did we miss so many tackles during the game? Because we had players standing still trying to stop runners coming through at pace with the ball. Technique and body size help, but when they're running in waves at stationary defenders, there isn't much you can do.

The number of times there'd be 6 or 7 Carlton players standing around where the stoppage was, after Brisbane fired out one quick handpass and then broke towards the goal in the wave was unbelievable.

The fault in this loss lies with the team as a whole, they played dumb football and no one put in the effort required. The good news is we know they can do a lot better than that, but damn was it frustrating to watch.


QFT.

Our midfielders may as well have been plastic cones for all Brisbane cared. We didn't run, we were extremely static and we paid the price.

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Bentick got slaughtered by Black. Black was the number 1 reason Brisbane killed us in the first quarter.

Like i said .. enough is enough.


You're kidding aren't you - you honestly think Bentick played on Black? There was no run with role for Black to begin with. Just because Bentick was playing 'Centre' and Black was playing 'Centre' doesn't make them direct opponents. This isn't the 70's, 80's nor 90's! It's 2008 and footy ain't what it used to be.

AB has done ok...leave him in - he and Hadley will take a little time to adjust to their roles. As for Wiggins...he's provided some g & d as a utility who comes off the bench and has an average game time of probably less than 60%...you probably want to bring in Armfield - but he's going to have to hit more targets on the training track...otherwise he'll get ripped apart on this forum.


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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
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Bentick got slaughtered by Black. Black was the number 1 reason Brisbane killed us in the first quarter.

Like i said .. enough is enough.


You're kidding aren't you - you honestly think Bentick played on Black? There was no run with role for Black to begin with. Just because Bentick was playing 'Centre' and Black was playing 'Centre' doesn't make them direct opponents. This isn't the 70's, 80's nor 90's! It's 2008 and footy ain't what it used to be.

AB has done ok...leave him in - he and Hadley will take a little time to adjust to their roles. As for Wiggins...he's provided some g & d as a utility who comes off the bench and has an average game time of probably less than 60%...you probably want to bring in Armfield - but he's going to have to hit more targets on the training track...otherwise he'll get ripped apart on this forum.



Good post doc :-D The only problem is it won't have any effect on the attitudes of some of the drama queens around here. You should know that level-headed posts have no place on this site after a loss :lol:

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keogh wrote:
Benticks stats look good but I thought he was fairly ordinary
What Bentick has achieved is fantastic because he is a limited player.
I am afraid he will probably be cut from the list
he is too slow and his kicking has little penetration.


If Bentick is that bad, why are you afraid he'll probably be cut?

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The lions loss wasn't that bad. Last few years it would have blown out to 80 or 100 points. They are a finals team , may even finish top 4. We are a 10 , 11 , or 12 team at this stage. We have 6 or 7 players in the team that would not get a run at Brisbane. Some of them wouldn' t even be on their list. It's a sign of the difference in recruiting in the last 6 years. We have some great young blokes who are going to be stars, but they need time , and we have to be patient. We also have some top players that have been around a while and are as good as any in the game. The problem is that after the top 12 or so , we are very weak in comparison with the top 8 teams. Also , we don't have much depth in the Ants to call on . They are either not good enough or lack experience. As the thread says, TIMES UP. We must get rid of the deadwood at the end of season.


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Too many chances .. has not delivered.


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I reckon AB must have upset you somehow, Rob....you've had it in for him for a long, long time.

Strange really, given the quality of some of our other players.


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Let's keep the discussion rated G please.


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17 of Bentick's disposals were on target. He put in 2 tackles per quarter which is more than most for the entire game. He provided 2 goal assists. He committed 1 clanger.

Yeah, he's shithouse - why do we bother? :roll: .



Statisitics Lie, pal. He rarely kicks more than 30 meters. His opponents often run off him. He is a great tackler. If we are to move forward we have to develop alternatives to Bentick. The result should be game time for players who may not be quite as good today but could be a better alternative in 2009: Pfeiffer, Andersen, Joseph. Hadley can play the in and under midfielder better than Bentick and with Hadley in the side you can pick another runner which we badly need


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Let's keep the discussion rated G please.


:lol:

I would have preferred "...been intimate with your significant other' but hey, I'm not the mod :wink: .

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Yeah, blame AB for not stopping Black. Coz we have so many others that could have...


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