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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:16 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
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Didnt get smashed by 80 points -would have last year
Murphy a tremendous game -now also kicking goals
Fevola - tackling -0.3 to start but fought back -5.4 was a good result
Jamison -towelled Bradshaw -done Medhurst - only really been beaten by Richo comprehensively this year
Another game into grigg bower gibbs Cruise jamison browne

Cons

Brisbane best side on the park for the year -only lappin and luey to come back

Blues - houlihan WALKER thorton bannister cloke out of best side -arguably Hampson and Hartlett out of that side

Ackland -I argued it was a dumb decision on Friday -Hampson had to be preferred
Disappointing games Fisher Ackland Carrazzo waite

As for Gibbs wasnt his best games but do people realise he is 2 months older than cruiser - surely we can be patient - prefer him on a wing or in midfield -go back and look at Collingwood game to see how good he is
Lets wait and judge him in awhile not when he is 19
PS To those who still think Justin Sherman is a dud -thought he looked ok on the weekend



Pretty much spot-on as always Frank :-D


Good to see someone else was watching the same game as me :lol:

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Didn't expect to win last night, lets face it Brisbane are years ahead of us in terms of development and maturity so 6 goals aint so bad. BUT, why it takes Ratts until half time to man up the extra guy on Fevs has no explanation. Fevs is our only avenue to goal so needs to be isolated at every opportunity.


Na its all Fevolas fault, lets trade him.

Re: the tackling.... or lack there of, Brisbane are probably the strongestt team in the AFL, at the moment, we play a more uncontested outside brand of football akin to Port Power, yet without as much dash and skill as the Power the solid Brisbane bodies were always going to outmuscle our boys. So yes their tackling was a lot better than ours, but getting that kind of strength into bodies takes a good 2 or 3 pre-seasons.

Can someone tell Waite to learn how to make an aggresive contest, hopefully that person is O'Halipan. Waite could be a superstar CHB if he could have more grunt in the contest like O'Halipan, cos he has all the other tools necessary.

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frank dardew wrote:
As for Gibbs wasnt his best games but do people realise he is 2 months older than cruiser - surely we can be patient - prefer him on a wing or in midfield -go back and look at Collingwood game to see how good he is
Lets wait and judge him in awhile not when he is 19

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LFTWNG11 wrote:
chief wrote:
Didn't expect to win last night, lets face it Brisbane are years ahead of us in terms of development and maturity so 6 goals aint so bad. BUT, why it takes Ratts until half time to man up the extra guy on Fevs has no explanation. Fevs is our only avenue to goal so needs to be isolated at every opportunity.


Na its all Fevolas fault, lets trade him.

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I think many people out there were salivating waiting for Fev to do something stupid to make him the scapegoat.

Good on him for sticking it out and being our best player. Amazing what a man can do when he is trying to negotiate a better contract!


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I think the best thing to happent his year is the development of Jamison and Bower. Both are very good players and Bower reminds me of Sexton.


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thanks for th picture...so to speak..
am away and haven't heard a thing until logging on.
Sounds bit disappointing...but doesn't hurt as much after the event.

Cheers for th summaries and reviews...grat t hear about Stevie Browne

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:25 am 
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Pros:
Continued to run hard and attack right to the end.
Jamison, Bower and Setanta.
Murphy was terrific.
Fev persevered, and got some reward.
Wiggins and Russell continue to show signs they could become good AFL players.
Enjoyed seeing Gibbs flying for a mark up forward late in the game (like to see that a little more).
I thought it was a good move by the MC to give Waite a run in the centre square. Well worth the try.

Cons:
I didn't think the MC got the set ups or the match ups right. Brisbane had at least 5 or 6 defenders in the defensive 50 for the whole game (sometimes considerably more). We often seemed to have only 2 or 3 players in our defensive 50. Lots of space for Brown and Bradshaw. No space for Fev. Our extra numbers seemed to be floating around the midfield. But what I found even more astonishing in the light of this, is that we didn't appear to put a hard tag on their 2 most creative midfielders in Black and Power. Whereas of course Brisbane had a hard tag on Judd (and presumably Stevens as well). So any advantage we might have had in midfield numbers was lost because of the space given to their midfield class. Brisbane's 4 best players (Brown, Bradshaw, Black and Power) were given lots of space, and allowed to have set ups which advantaged them. Our best 3 players (Judd, Fev and Stevens) were given no space.
Likewise couldn't understand why Carrazzo wasn't matched up on Travis Johnstone. Carrazzo has monstered him in the past. And I think Carrazzo plays his best footy in our current set up when given a defensive role.
The intensity at the start of the game was poor.
Some of the handballing was diabolically reminiscent of the preseason game against Hawthorn.
Stevens had a shocker. So did Ackland and Fisher.
Their kicking for goal (seemed to be kicking them from everywhere). And our kicking for goal (seemed to really struggle to kick them from anywhere). We're nowhere near good enough to kick poorly for goal and still expect to be a chance of winning.


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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:05 am 
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My summary of the game is;

Pros:

Fev would have been frustrated but kicked 5. One of only blokes in our side who is playing consistent footy

Wiggins and Russell across half forward.

Murph = superstar

Setanta is one of only blokes who gives a flower

Bower will be good



Cons:

Ackland what a flowering joke

Ratten - i am really starting to question him as a coach, his selections and his use of players.

Jamo's injury - real GUN

Ray Chamberlain - What a Flowering Joke

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:51 am 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
LFTWNG11 wrote:
chief wrote:
Didn't expect to win last night, lets face it Brisbane are years ahead of us in terms of development and maturity so 6 goals aint so bad. BUT, why it takes Ratts until half time to man up the extra guy on Fevs has no explanation. Fevs is our only avenue to goal so needs to be isolated at every opportunity.


Na its all Fevolas fault, lets trade him.

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I think many people out there were salivating waiting for Fev to do something stupid to make him the scapegoat.


I don't think it's about making him a scapegoat.

It's mostly the club's fault:
1 for making him our 1 trick. Everybody knows that now. That's why this loose man caper Ratts pulls is even crazier. Their loose man _alway_ beats ours because they use theirs to clog up our 1 trick, where we use ours to get a few cheap handball receives off half back.
2 for backing ourselves into a corner over a loose cannon that can embarrass the club or even worse, ruin his trade value by going out and getting hammered one night. I'm sure it's occurred to him that if he doesn't like the deal we offer him and wants to play dirty, he just has to get out on the turps and tip off Hutchy.
Lock him in tight and we might get a bit of control back over him.


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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:58 am 
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The Hoff wrote:
Adam Chatfield wrote:
LFTWNG11 wrote:
chief wrote:
Didn't expect to win last night, lets face it Brisbane are years ahead of us in terms of development and maturity so 6 goals aint so bad. BUT, why it takes Ratts until half time to man up the extra guy on Fevs has no explanation. Fevs is our only avenue to goal so needs to be isolated at every opportunity.


Na its all Fevolas fault, lets trade him.

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I think many people out there were salivating waiting for Fev to do something stupid to make him the scapegoat.


I don't think it's about making him a scapegoat.

It's mostly the club's fault:
1 for making him our 1 trick. Everybody knows that now. That's why this loose man caper Ratts pulls is even crazier. Their loose man _alway_ beats ours because they use theirs to clog up our 1 trick, where we use ours to get a few cheap handball receives off half back.
2 for backing ourselves into a corner over a loose cannon that can embarrass the club or even worse, ruin his trade value by going out and getting hammered one night. I'm sure it's occurred to him that if he doesn't like the deal we offer him and wants to play dirty, he just has to get out on the turps and tip off Hutchy.
Lock him in tight and we might get a bit of control back over him.


The loose man hasn't been working all that well lately because Fev is actually applying himself and is making his opportunities rather than sooking about having 3 guys on him.

The loose man only works if Fev allows it, because there are not too many defenders who can outmuscle or run off him when he applies himself.

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:24 pm 
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But DUC why do we continually go to Fev with 3 on him?Its just such a low % chance of coming off.Is it an instruction to do it or do the players instinctively look for him?There has to be other options when this is happening. Kennedy would make lead after lead only to be ignored. Our forwards/midfielders must get smarter about not going to Fev every time. There were many times on Sat night they should of backed themselves to have a shot.We need multiple scoring options.


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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:59 pm 
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DownUnderChick wrote:
The loose man hasn't been working all that well lately because Fev is actually applying himself and is making his opportunities rather than sooking about having 3 guys on him.

The loose man only works if Fev allows it, because there are not too many defenders who can outmuscle or run off him when he applies himself.


They don't need to necessarily outmuscle him. They just need to sit in the hole. Or 1 stays down for the usual crumb. His man doesn't need to run off him either. They've got a spare man to rebound: 1 has already run off him. Then they use that extra man to hook up with 2 more and run it with impunity coz they always have a free man to carry, then kick it over our loose man's head making him useless. Captain obvious.

Besides, why do we except that Fev doing the superhuman every week is a reasonable way to go? Get another guy down there who can do a half decent job and d@mn well kick it to him often enough to make the opposition put a man on him.
If Fev goes down injured because he's doing crazy stuff each week to drag us along, we won't win another game. And we'll only have ourselves to blame.


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