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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 2:04 am 
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They reported on the 5th qrt that Fev will be getting a 3year contract worth 2.5mill.

What a load of crap I think... prob about 1.5mill for 3 years.


That has to be the biggest load of shit reported. If we seriously pay him that amount god help this club.

Question: What the hell is wrong with this club??

Answer: To many old foes with a say. The same old foes who were around when this whole mess was created


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It's not as easy as just throwing out one figure.

It's quite complicated when you think about it.

An agreed individual base wage combined with a certain individual match payment that injury could affect then add that with performance bonuses ...could be anything really...

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Ralph gives us a figure, so that it then???

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Melvey wrote:
bosman wrote:
They reported on the 5th qrt that Fev will be getting a 3year contract worth 2.5mill.

What a load of crap I think... prob about 1.5mill for 3 years.


That has to be the biggest load of shit reported. If we seriously pay him that amount god help this club.

Question: What the hell is wrong with this club??

Answer: To many old foes with a say. The same old foes who were around when this whole mess was created


Looks like you have created a nice little argument to have with yourself their Melvey.


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Surely we wouldn't even be offering Fev a contract yet?

Whether you like Fev or not what is the point of offering him a contract now. He said he wants to stay and his contract is until the end of the year.

His only option would be the PSD and going to Melbourne and that won't happen.

Also I hope the rumours of $2.5m over 3 years are not true. He has been well paid for the past few years and owes the club something. He will not get that type of money anywhere else so why should we pay it?

I am hoping the current administration see some sense.


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So what is Fev worth in $$$?

Would you give him 3 or 2 years?

I would give Fev 2 years with an option of a third subject to form and conditions on his off field behaviour, coleman medal, etc included. I would give him $1.4M over 2 years, ie 700K pa.

He will fetch up to 900K at other clubs.

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So what is Fev worth in $$$?

Would you give him 3 or 2 years?

I would give Fev 2 years with an option of a third subject to form and conditions on his off field behaviour, coleman medal, etc included. I would give him $1.4M over 2 years, ie 700K pa.

He will fetch up to 900K at other clubs.


I think it has to be incentive based, with the potential to earn up to $600K.

I don't think any other club would pay anywhere near that and to be honest I do not believe there is a club out there that would take him at the moment.


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Do we have to re-sign him now? Why can't we wait until the end of the year? Surely there is no harm in waiting until the end of the year to see what clubs will offer us. Why do we have to decide now?


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Ralph gives us a figure, so that it then???


He has signed with Alystar Lynch and Vossy's management company and they have denied reports thats what the club has offered and wished thats what was offered.


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I've got faith in Swann, Icke, Pratt, etc to handle these negotiations. Salary cap rules , contracts etc are all very complicated , and when there are around 40 players to consider , it is a matter for experts. They have done a good job so far , so for mine it's up to them. Posts like this are irrelevant.


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Effes wrote:
Do we have to re-sign him now? Why can't we wait until the end of the year? Surely there is no harm in waiting until the end of the year to see what clubs will offer us. Why do we have to decide now?


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re-sign Fevola now
Fev is masking what is a very very ordinary football side, definitely bottom 4 and on par with Melbourne, Essendon* and WCE. He's the only guy in the team who can kick a goal and without a bag from Fev we're not even competitive. Give him a 3 year deal.


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Re-sign Fevola because he masks our true capabilities?
Perhaps we're better off realising our true worth and trying to improve it with draft picks instead of masking it.

FWIW, Fev is our best forward option because he makes it all about him. In Saturdays first quarter, the team needed him to work hard and lead up for the half back line. A forward with any brains and team orientation would have worked ahead of his dual teaming and offered an upfield link to the forward line. Instead he wanted to stay within goal kicking range in the 50 and refused to present. The resultant structure saw our players with zero options coming out of defence.

Until he realises his role is more expansive than kicking goals, we'll remain a Fevola reliant, one dimensional team.

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I saw a report in News Ltd yesterday that Fev says he's not signing a contract if there is a clause in there about bad behaviour.

I'd be saying to him that there is no contract therefore.

I hope the club doesn't get sucked in by the Fev-hype machine... just send him packing like Swanny was originally rumoured to be keen on.


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Molly wrote:
I saw a report in News Ltd yesterday that Fev says he's not signing a contract if there is a clause in there about bad behaviour.

I'd be saying to him that there is no contract therefore.

I hope the club doesn't get sucked in by the Fev-hype machine... just send him packing like Swanny was originally rumoured to be keen on.


I read that as well. I am sick of him conducting negotiations via the media. This has the potential to turn ugly if it is not nipped in the bud.

Swann & Co need to tell Fev that they will not discuss a new contract until the end of the season when his contract expires and that there will be no more discussion until then. The club is bigger than the individual.

End of Story.


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Re-sign Fevola because he masks our true capabilities?
Perhaps we're better off realising our true worth and trying to improve it with draft picks instead of masking it.

FWIW, Fev is our best forward option because he makes it all about him. In Saturdays first quarter, the team needed him to work hard and lead up for the half back line. A forward with any brains and team orientation would have worked ahead of his dual teaming and offered an upfield link to the forward line. Instead he wanted to stay within goal kicking range in the 50 and refused to present. The resultant structure saw our players with zero options coming out of defence.

Until he realises his role is more expansive than kicking goals, we'll remain a Fevola reliant, one dimensional team.



You have been watching richo to much BV :lol:

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Melvey wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Ralph gives us a figure, so that it then???


He has signed with Alystar Lynch and Vossy's management company and they have denied reports thats what the club has offered and wished thats what was offered.


Might want to finish at the GC then. The GC will have several first round picks next year of which they will have to trade a few for established players. Why not sign Fev to a 2 year incentive based then trade him to the GC? It will be the only way to get any decent picks next year.


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Blue Vain wrote:
FWIW, Fev is our best forward option because he makes it all about him. In Saturdays first quarter, the team needed him to work hard and lead up for the half back line. A forward with any brains and team orientation would have worked ahead of his dual teaming and offered an upfield link to the forward line. Instead he wanted to stay within goal kicking range in the 50 and refused to present. The resultant structure saw our players with zero options coming out of defence.



As I recall Fev kicked poorly in the first half with 1 goal 4 behind - 5 shots on goal in a half of football where we were smashed out of the middle is not a bad return on a forward.

All media commentators have been quite mastorbatory in their praise of Franklin's average of 9 shots at goal per game.

I would have thought Fev's return during the first half was quite good - but his kicking was quite off.

I would have been more critical of this effort rather than his lack of effort - in particular as during the warm up it was quite evident that he was having a problem with his goal kicking.

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re-sign Fevola now
Fev is masking what is a very very ordinary football side, definitely bottom 4 and on par with Melbourne, Essendon* and WCE. He's the only guy in the team who can kick a goal and without a bag from Fev we're not even competitive. Give him a 3 year deal.


What he said!!! I cannot believe that the rest of you are even debating this. The bloke is a champion, possibly one of the best 10 players in the comp at the moment. We should be looking to build on what we have. Fev bleeds Navy Blue, wants to play for us. When I see him take a competed mark and then slot one from 50m I think that he can p1ss on every window in town if he is going to kick goals on the weekend.

Forget the Political correctness and the whinings of the football media. He loves us, we should love him. Since his last indiscretion there hasnt been a spate of 10 yo's in carlton No 25 jumpers p1ssing on school windows. Did you see him get the match ball for Nick Stevens on the weekend? Pay him what we need to pay him and get on with building a team around him.

As for him giving midfielders a spray, fair enough!! The same people that come on here and bag the daylight out of Jordan Russell, Shaun Grigg etc for making bad choices with the ball going inside 50 are the same people who bag fev for giving them a spray.

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No ones arguing about Fevs being a champion forward, of course he is. He could kick a 100 goals in a team like Geelong. The question is, what is right for Carlton in the long term? Do we keep him knowing that he will play up at some point, he has major issues with body language and demeanour on the field and causes us to be too Fevola focused? Is this right for us at this point or do we shop around one of the biggest potential trades we have and see what we can get? Why wouldnt we bite the bullet for long term success?

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