[quote="The Duke"]1 individual who has constantly showed disrespect for you, me, the coach, his team mates, his wife and kids and his sponsors who pay his wage.[quote]

Disrespect for his wife, kids and the clubs image yes.

The rest is crap. Fev bleeds for the jumper, the players and the fans.


I'd like you to prove otherwise...

Sparky, sparky, sparky. Don't make me go into it .

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cos then the title wouldn't make sense

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

that doesnt make sense.

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The AFL equalisation policy (designed with StKilda firmly in mind) is the only reason they exist.

Now I agree with you.

But when you say that you are "anti fev" how are you supposed to take a balanced view? You only see what you want with regards to Fev and overlook everything good he brings to the team.

If you move Fev on because you don't like him then how is that supposed to benefit the club?

So far no-one has put any likely trade that will benefit the club more than signing Fev for another 2-3 years

according to your logic

ackland hater = carlton hater
martyn hater = carlton hater
the previous coach hater = carlton hater
o'reilly hater = carlton hater
angwin hater = carlton hater
etc etc etc

I'd love you to - even in a very brief summary. If I'm wrong I'll admit it mate, but until then I stand by what I said.



Yep. Here I am.

To my knowledge I have not criticised a player, the closest I have ever gotten was close scrutiny of JR earlier in the season. No Lance-bashing, no Ackland-bashing, no Wiggins-bashing, No Bannister-bashing...

I have enter debate into the trading or delisting of players - but never offered one up as a dud to get shafted.

1100 posts - check 'em.

I must say I do agree on your point though. A star will always get a lot more leeway than a young nobody when it comes to disiplinary action. If Angwin was Judd, he very well may still be in Navy Blue. Ben Cousins is the exception to the rule, but when you place Fev next to Cousins - Fev pales in comparison...

you are so pure..

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There's so much I could say...

Those that know me, know me as sweetness, light and all that is good on this Earth.

Well the first 3 are not true because not one of them played for carlton, only money.

But I still hold true that you can be objective about a player and talk of trades and the like, but if your attitude borders on hate and you ignore all the good that a player does then you are not supporting the team and by default the club.

The club is > than any individual...ANY!

People who want Fev to be traded want something great in return (round 1 draft picks/Jono Brown/Garry Ablett), those who want to keep Fev want him to kick 500 goals during the next 5 years.

There is nothing wrong about that and neither side of these arguments hate Carlton.

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Where have I said that the any player is bigger than the club?
And further to that why do people think that because they support the club it gives them free right to bag the players representing that club without criticism of their motives?

The motivation for the majoity of the posters has been to trade Fev because they don't like him or his antics so far as to label themselves ANTI-FEV.


team [ teem ]


noun (plural teams)

Definition:

1. side in sports competition: a group of people forming one side in a sports competition

By saying if you hate one player then you hate the club. Like I said the individual is < than the club, so you don't hate the club if you don't like a component of the club.

Anyway, I am not sure anyone ever said they hate Fevola. They may have said trade him but not sure if anyone said they hate him. Pretty strong words I think.



Face it, he doesn't have the intelligence of a Hird or a Buckley who all tried to make the most of their careers by looking after themselves off the field. Maybe these people would like to gamble and get a Hird or a Buckley to our club via the draft or a trade rather than have a loose cannon who might be on the front page of the paper the next morning for the wrong reasons.

I for one have a long memory and I am tired of him but I will still cheer when he kicks a goal tonight because he represents my club.

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Nah he's flying straight now. I think it's only gonna get better from here as we get better as a team, fev will be happier and more positive about footy, will be a positive cycle with him and his form. His heart is at Carlton at the moment a good part of Carlton's heart is with him. Would be a tragedy to lose him. And if we want to play finals, Fev is the kind of guy who will win you a GF. He rises to the occasion. Loves the big stage. He's not goin anywhere, so enjoy the fevolution because it might be a long time before we another player as exciting as Fev

If we could get draft picks of a Roughead and Trent Cotchin style of players for Fev would you do the trade.

no because those players dont have the talent and ability that fev has.

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"I can't wait to win a premiership with this club" - Fev

Fev is at his prime right now. Most footballers hit there peak around 28 and thats where Fev is at.

Realistically how far off do you think we are being top 4 or being an actual contender. I'd say 3 years, that makes Fev 30-31.

Fev doesn't have a big engine nor has he looked after his body. With the amount of pressure placed on him to throw his weight around and chase his body will be shot by then, his biggest asset is how quick he is off the mark, once he loses a yard or two of pace he is doomed.

Its a tricky one and no doubt its being debated and looked at within the football department.

I reckon while we are at it we trade trade Judd as well as Fev, hell we will get 4 top 10 picks for sure, that will keep some very happy. Gotta invest in the future. Seriously though you have to build a team around some key players and Fev is a key player. If you trade Fev you want to get something good in return, say a Brown or a Franklin and thats not likely to happen.

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A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill

L.M 35-06

I love fev. He is a great player.

..but the question i ask myself is would carlton function better as a team if we had two blokes inside fifty with 2 thirds the ability of Fev. We go to fev every time. Other forwards run up the ground to make room for him but defenders dont bother going with them.

We need another forward to play with Fev. If his contract is so big it stops us from getting another forward then it may not be a good idea.
We may have to part ways and try and get two forwards with the doe for the better of the club.

I love fev.

I'd rather hang onto Fev than "try" to replace him with two lesser forwards. Fev is a known quantity, so you'd only trade him for another known quantity or at least a couple of very good picks.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa