Pros
- Ackland will never play for us again
- Jamieson in defence
- Betts enthusiasm and the spark he provides
- JR, Bower, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Browne and Grigg all showing good signs at various stages. They currently lack consistency but this will come with further experience. Please leave Gibbs alone...he is only a kid and will be a very good player in a couple of years!

Cons
- Jamo's injury....fingers crossed it isn't too serious.
- Waite's clangers
- Stevo and Hadley were dissapointing for senior players
- Fisher: probably needs to go back for a stint in the 2's however there doesn't appear to be any pressure coming from the Bullants.
- Bentick is too slow IMO...looked like he was nailed to the ground when the heat was on early in the game

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There is no footy god

You don't need pace to play in the midfield.

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Mjonc signing off at 8888

It aint ONE poor moment.
If Gibbs is as good as his reputation is (particularly inside)
play in on the ball
As another posted said
he is playing with a lack of passion
And dont quote possessions.
As shown last night they dont mean everything.

The saddest thing in last nights game was the smallest player in the navy blue last night was the only to display some hardness.

mjonc wrote:


Yep..clean hands, decision making and disposal are far more important. Simon Black doesn't have much leg speed and look what he did to us in the first qtr.

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There is no footy god

I mentioned this in the MVP page but i thought Setanta was pretty good tonight.
Sent to full back on Brown after he got off to a flyer and then held him to just a couple of goals after that.

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"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit"
- Aristotle

This is what I mean, Gibbs is doing very well, he is very young and hasn't even played 50 games for us, the kid will be a superstar, no run in the twos helps anyone, we need to pump games into him.

IMO to suggest we drop him is ludicrous. I'd say that belief is shared by the MC too.

All the newspapers had him in the best too. (Not that it means anything)

PRO:
PAUL BOWER!
Come on in leaps and bounds this year!

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Loooook OUT!

Pros
- There was some real feeling out there: S17O on Brown (the Antelopes as they called it on TEN), H28S on Charman, Hadley against his old mates, mini-stoush just before Fev's first goal ...
- Fev's handling of the niggles by his opponent/s - another Fev would have Barry-Halled the flowers!
- 39 possies to Scotland (allowing for effectiveness* this is still 29)
- Simmo Bower Wiggo Waite JR Jamo


Cons
- Cain Ackland, despite his massive HO stats
- There are only 5 B&F positions
- Caned in the first, never got over it
- Big Setant: bad discipline v J16B .. Should have been dragged .. Some real bad turn-overs too
- Gibbs: a lot of clangers
- Why was J30W put on J16B? Brown killed him last year ..
- Fev still has to work on that temper / the sads esp when other players don't do what he wants

* effective rate according to the Hun's stats page for the game

Pro:
Didn't do us much good, but you gotta admit, twas good to see the old Fitzroy colours out there

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

PRO: Ackland will never play another game of football at AFL level again

CON: MC picking him in the first place

mc? match commitee?

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"You don’t get much more Navy Blue than Stephen Kernahan" - Marc Murphy

Unfortunately, I haven't been to a game this year because of a motorcycle accident, so all I have seen is on TV (which gives you a very reduced perspective of the game).

PRO:
-Fev - continuing when everything was going wrong at the start. Old Fev would have stopped, had a sook and spat the dummy.
-Smurph - Having a great season. His disposal is getting good.
-Jamo - Fantastic. great defender.
-Carlos - I thought he did a great job on Brown. Apart from a BS soft free kick awarded by the maggots, I think he only kicked a couple on him.
-Bower - Great running from defense. Stuffed up a couple of times, but is sitting more in the credit side of the ledger than debit.
-Scotto - best game to date.
-Judd - improving
-Betts - looking fantastic.
-Krooz ... Was absolutely fantastic. Not only did he provide a contest in the ruck, he even won some taps. Did well around the ground also. Much better than sugar. We looked much better when krooz was in the ruck.
-Wiggler & Russel - did well. Wiggler did a lot of good things, Russell laid a few good tackles. Russell needs to work on his set shots for goal.

Cons:
-Ackland - just not good enough at this current level. Too short .
-Waite (had a bad night). He's still ok.
-Fish (had a bad night. Still did more than Bradshaw by comparison)
-implied pressure and the way we handle it. need to get our disposals better under pressure.
-Jamo's injury.

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Leaders do not care what other people say about them. When people start talking crap about you, thats when you know you've made it

Tigers and Bombers might be the one's that cost us at season's end. Unfortunately when your guns are underdone due to interrurted pre-seasons that's going to happen. Pity we didn't play Adelaide and Brisbane then so we could've played Richmond and Essendon* the first time when we were up and running. That's the draw I suppose and you have to work within it.

MC = Match Commitee

A little perspective on our form. The past 5 weeks we have lost to two top 6 teams by 5-6 goals with most supporters critical and upset at the losses, which is understandable.

Here is my point. We have never layed down in 2008, one area which i think ALL of us have failed to look at so far. Ratts is instilling pride in the jumper again, lack of heart or uncompetitive is not in the Carlton vocabulary and if you don't make the effort you will be cleared out as Ackland is about to find out and apparently Jackson was told by Teague a few weeks back during a quarter huddle.

We all want to progress rapidly, unfortunately it won't happen this year, but little things like pride, effort, fighting out games are the small steps we need to progress to finals.

Look at Essendon*, any supporter of Essendon* thinking they aren't far from it are kidding themselves. They are non competitive and roll over as soon as it gets hard. They're where we were around 3 years ago.

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Mjonc signing off at 8888

Nice.

I mentioned last night that with a bit of luck in the last couple of minutes we could've had another goal or two.

I just *wish* Brisbane were a bottom four side.

Just on your Jackson comment, mjonc ...

If it was the huddle I was in (so to speak), Teague's beef was more that he was playing his own game - not that he wasn't putting in.

Pros
-Eddie
-PAUL BOWER
-Fev kicked five goals after an abismal start with 2 players on him most of the night
-Marc Murphy is a gun
-When bentick handballed the ball and it rebounded of acklands backside bentick picked it up again chipped it to a carlton player and it ended in a goal!
- Jamo
-JR he played well ..is improving


Cons
-RAY!
- the Hacks lack of effort in the centre and around the ground
-Jamos injury
-Fish - very very off night seemed to play behind his defender all night instead of leading up onto the wing like he usually does
-Carrazzo definately his worst game in a while
-CLANGERS - i lost count how many astray handballs we had and how many times we sold people into trouble by handballing it to the guy with two players on him.
-TACKLES

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'We could rub it in but we're better than that' - Carlton banner R7 2008 - Carlton vs West Coast

I seem to recall the year before we got him he had one great game where he made a mess of the opposition at the TD. Unfortunately that opposition was us.

A pity who ever decided to get him didn't look at the rest of his games...................