Got suspended after Rd 3 2006 for a soft as shit charge on Brett Kirk. Don't think that 25%'s applicable.

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I thought his last one was against Freo in 2005 but I stand corrected if I'm wrong. Even so, a love tap with an early plea should still result in a reprimand.

I agree Jim. Fev was merely trying to block Selwood's run so that Judd could get clear path to the ball. I don't think it was malicious in that it wasn't a punch, but a forearm. I also think that it wasn't the force of the contact that got Selwood but the placement of the contact and the fact he was tired. I think Fev will either not be cited or should get off. As for some here that want to throw Fev under the bus, yes he makes mistakes. He plays on instinct and emotion. He has had a ripper year and enjoyed the win more than anyone last night. The guy has passion for the jumper which is what everyone has been crying out for the past 6 years. His positives far outweigh his negatives and I wish people would not be so willing to crucify one of the three genuine stars we have in the team. We wouldn't win many games of football without Fev and so you may want to think about that before being so willing to get rid of him.

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Hope we're right !!!

I do have to stand corrected on his good record. His one game suspensions in both 2005 & 2006 will actually ADD 20% to his activation points if he is cited.

The way I read it in the link below, if he is cited, it is a level 1 offence, worth 80 points (negligent, in play, low contact, with either low or medium impact on the contact is a Level 1 offence). Add 20% for the 2 games he's been suspended in the last 3 AFL seasons that gives him 96. Take away 25% for an early guilty plea gives him 72 points. As every 100 points gives you a week, he should get a reprimand. Given that, he may as well fight the charge if I read it correctly.

It's all described in the link below.

http://www.afl.com.au/Portals/0/afl_doc ... t_2008.pdf

Assuming this is all correct, an excellent deduction.

And good news for Fev and Carlton.

Here's hoping there are no injuries in the AllStars match.

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Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

i think setanta is developing along nicely.

his learning has been in a team that has been smashed since the day he arrived. if he had been introduced into a better team early on, he wouldn't have had so much expectation on his game.

he is improving every time he plays and i love his enthusiasm, passion, ability to hit a target (ok, he got it wrong once on fri night but overall he hit just about every target and chose just about every right option), agility and ball-handling.

keep up the good work setanta!

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One thing that struck me as I watched the replay yesterday was the leadership shown by Judd and Stevo especially in the second half when we needed to stem WC's flow . I think it was highlighted after the goal by Gibbs from Judd's handball when they got together in the goal square and barked off instructions to other players upfield. And didn't Gibbs love that goal!

I thought Simmo, Scotland and Carrots also led by example all playing really good games.

Well done leaders.

Barry Hall did the same thing and got to play in a Grand Final...so, surely Fev will be fine.

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"...the less you know - the more you believe..." - Bono 2006

fair enough point on the 'come-back'................. but we still faded out when we should have really run away with the game.

Don't get me wrong,.........happy we did gather together and found our way again............. but it seems like every game we have a qtr that we just loose our way.

Well aware of JR's role............. but (and this is based on his career, not just his game the other night) in the crucial moments, he doesn't deliver.........
4 goals from 34 games is pretty poor too.

But to be honest............ i wouldn't be dropping him. We have too many imjuries so he's gotta be in the side anyway.

But you'll be hard pressed to find a spot for him once Walker / Houlihan are fit and ready to come back in.

But i am loving the development of Grigg and Bower.............. two players who have been heavilly criticised................ both are looking very good. Still raw, but looking good.
Love Bowers run out of the backline.


One more PRO i forgot to mention..................... yet another game that we have kept our opposition to less than 100 points. First time that's happened since 2006.

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sinverbeek wrote



That's not what happened.



You are saying he didn't play a great game.

simon, Carrots was a PRO tonight anyway you look at it. He busted a gut, he ran to space, he created play, he linked in the same play, he gave it off again and he presented again. Not too many footballers in the AFL can do that.

The consensus is Carrots was easily BOG; you don't want to see it

CONS

We got killed in the ruck and this didn't allow our players have a sniff in the 3rd Q. It wasn't that they stopped trying; that's footy. It has flows and ebbs.

Some of the posters' negative comments about some players' 2nd half. They weren't even there and don't even know if the player they have a go at was even on the field. Yeah, but go ahead and call it as you didn't see it.

You're not the only one svb. Have areas at the first 5 pages, there's a few absolute shockers...I had enough of reading this thread at that stage.

WE @#$%&! WON THE GAME. WE LOST IT IN THE RUCK.

Everyone showed significant improvement in their fitness and in their game; have a look at the first 3 rounds as a reminder of where we've come from.

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PROS

Whoever thinks Waite hasn't got a footy brain is delusional.

Whoever thought Bentick's performance was peripheral or that his disposal was poor, needs to have a look at the game again.

Fev didn't get a sniff in the 2nd half, because the ball wasn't going to him. We had a lot of goalkickers; a spread. I prefer that. That's not an indictment on Fev. And you can't criticise Fev for the tap,; he's innocent till proven guilty. FFS give him a brea; he bleeds navy blue.

JR had a role to play, and I thought he looked as good if not better than Goddard last night. JR keeps his feet!

It was a great team performance, with my favourite youngsters putting a big smile on my face (looking to the future):

Bower
Setanta
Jamison
Russell
Browne
Betts
Kruezer
Bentick

as did the usual young suspects:

Murphy
Gibbs

GREAT games from our leaders

Judd
Stevens
Scotland
Carrazzo
Simpson
Judd
Fisher

CONS

What are we going to give up to get JK back; I'm sure part of him wants to come back; the big part.

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Good post Bondi

he deserves two nominations

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http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... West+Coast

One Pro is that despite our last 6 or so years, Carlton's winning ratio against the Eagles is back up to 50%.

From the Blueseum

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Selwood should go for that pathetic dive.

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Con - We got that great lead on the back of the Eagle's attitude. We would've kicked a few of those goals, but the 50s helped alot.
Fev shooshing the crowd at the 10 minute mark of the 1st FFS Fev - pull your head in.

Pro - We withstood the charge from a more experienced and stronger side. Everyone made excuses for the WCE by saying they only had 12 players from the premiership side That's 11 more than us .

We were smacked in the ruck - AGAIN and still won AGAIN!! Imagine what will happen when we start winning the ruck

Bentick was instrumental in closing up the takeaways when we didn't win the ruck contest. I don't know many other players who can dive into a pack, extract the footy and dish off a handball. I love this kid .

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A big Pro is the form of Steven Browne.....well organized player with good skills and is mature thinking and doesnt get panicked under pressure.
The small defender/back pocket role has been one we have not been able to fill but Browne is the real deal and will serve the club well I predict now and for the future...Browne wa sgood recruiting and the maligned Wayne Hughes gets a tick from me on this draft pick....

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- Conor Gillen

Haven't read all pages so apologies if raised but a couple of points I was thinking of...

PROS

Bentick's hardness at the contest was tremendous. Without him and his tackling ability, I have no doubt there would have been several take aways for the Eagles at pace.

Murph right now is above average and quickly progressing to elite.

Browne's composure at this stage of his career is outstanding

Betts - his presenting up the ground is first rate

Bower/Jamo - legitimate AFL defenders

Stevens - his work late in the third and early fourth quarters was superb. The work of a leader. Rapt for him.

Carrots - Hardest working player in the team and I didn't think he was that bad disposing of it this week. I can only think of 3-4 occasions where the pill did end up where it was supposed to go and if he's getting it 42 times I'll wear that. If he doesn't win the NRS this week I'll be furious

Judd - nuff said.

CONS

Fev of course. Such a shame you can't inject brains into people.

Gibbs - Shouldn't be taking kick outs. He's great around the ground but a total liability there. If we're not careful Houlihan will get back in to take the kick outs.

Setanta and Russell - I am not questioning the effort from these two (in fact I really want them to both work out) but put simply they cannot dispose of the ball to AFL standard. Russell looks really good until he's got to do something with it. Against a good team we'll get killed by the sorts of turnovers he creates.

Pros:
Murph- classy
Bower- better every week
Grigg- same as Bower
Betts- really stepped up this year
Judd- absolute gun
Browne- good signs
simmo- back to his best over last couple of weeks
Stevo- same as simmo, stood up when needed
Carrots- ball magnet and efficient with it.
Defence- improving every week
One play in the 1st or 2nd quarter where we ran the ball up with a string of handballs (im pretty sure it was grigg the main man) weeving through traffic finally landing on the chest of fev, didn't look as classy and smooth as geelong but its starting.
Young guys flying the flag
Fisher in the first half really presented around CHF/Wing
Win interstate


Cons:
Ruck- may have rucks who can compete at ground level but no where near it at the bounces,
Kreuz will get there
Cloke as much as i love his passion and aggression for the club he is unable to do what is needed (not tall or athletic enough), should only really be a back-up and around the ground throw ins etc, needs to try him up forward or something.
Hammer, Aisake or Jacobs need to be given the opportunity to show what they've got, we won't get a dominant tap ruckman overnight but we just need someone to compete and bring the ball to ground not to their advantage all the time. Our Midfield is performing extremely well, would be much better with a competitive ruckman. (the Judd to Fev in the 3rd or 4th quarter was evidence of what could happen more often)
3rd quarter- demolished us in most departments as well as us giving away stupid free kicks and 50m's.

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My thoughts are:


Pro's

Our side is starting to get settled and players are not being thrown around everywhere each week.

Back 6 again getting settled next to each other.

Jamo not much of ball but slaughtered McKinley.

Setanta finding some form

JR first half was brilliant he gave us a target across half forward, why he went to Armstrong in the 2nd half i have no idea.

Grigg and Bower excite the hell out of me, they both have height and run and they are now confident to take the game on.

Browne = composure.

Most impressive was our toughness, finally we dont shirk the issue and stick up for each other and it is coming from Murph and Gibbs, gr8 to see.

Finally, we know how to win and we believe in ourselves.


Cons:

Still getting killed in the ruck, need to bring Hammer in.

Need more fwd options, maybe Kruez and Cloke changing is the answer.

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