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Blue Sombrero

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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:26 pm

Stephen Kernahan

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I think the best crumber in our team is Houlihan. Trouble is, he was being played down back where he is totally unsuited. If one looks at Houla's highlights on Bluetube (and there are many), it becomes obvious where his abilities lie. He is great at running past packs on either side and taking the ball off hands and either drilling it or passing it. He is the best two-sided player in the team to boot.

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DownUnderChick

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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:40 pm

Herald Sun columnist

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Blue Sombrero wrote:

And now injured!

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Rucci15

Post subject: Re: Crumbs

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:10 pm

Rod McGregor

Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:29 pm
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Location: Adelaide

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

While it seems to be the trend to bag Fev for not kicking 17 goals per match, or hanging shit on JR for not getting a Rising Star nomination each week, a bigger frustration for me over the last 3-5 years is our lack of crumbers, especially in comparison to any club in the comp which is considered even an outside chance at a Flag.

Far too many times each match a ball goes forward towards Fev and a contest. The mark goes to ground or is spoiled, and rather than a Carlton crumber swoop on the ball and grab a goal, the defending team crumbs the ball and sweeps it out of defence far too easily.

Do we have any crumbing players on our list? Eddie seems to be the logical player for this role, but only plays that part sporadically.

The sort of player I'm thinking of is Peter Bell/Shannon Grant/Brent Harvey When they played with Wayne Carey

When Fev has his own Harvey or Bell at his feet, then surely we'll see far less of the ball being repelled from our F50?

Agree entirely KK, no crumbers what so ever. Carrazzo showed some signs of this last year, what about Benjamin or the other fella in the Ants i have forgotten his name now he is playing better than Benji

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budzy

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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:30 pm

Wayne Johnston

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Blue Sombrero wrote:

No way! Intensity levels are rarely at the required level.

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Big Kahuna Boot

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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:29 pm

Ken Hunter

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..without knowing much about the really young kids that haven't yet broken into the seniors, i'd say our best crumber is Bettsy by a mile, followed by Judd, and then basically it'll fall to the mids that are rovers.. ..but bettsy has very good goal sense.. ..houla's is another excellant forward, but more the HFF type.. ..once he's fit, he should slot right back in as a HFF.. ..another possible crumber could be Gibbs.. ..the reason we don't seem to have a proper crumber, is b/c the overall team is down and so a few players are stretched too thin.. ..our only CHF is being converted into our only CHB.. ..we've got a few utility types, but they're still coming along.. ..and over the season so far, bett's has been our most lead-up chf target.. ..which is saying something..

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Warby

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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:35 pm

Stephen Silvagni

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I reckon we've got a couple of crumbers (hopefully) in Ellard and Joseph.

As I said last week....we haven't had a good crumber since Brent Heaver and Fraser Murphy....and briefly....Brett Backwell.

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mjonc

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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:51 pm

Wayne Johnston

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AJ and Ellard.

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Blue Sombrero

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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:34 pm

Stephen Kernahan

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budzy wrote:

Blue Sombrero wrote:

No way! Intensity levels are rarely at the required level.

Sorry, are you disagreeing with his ability to read the ball off the packs or suggesting he can't kick with his left foot, that he is a shit shot for goal or that he is an inaccurate pass?

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klakker

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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:00 am

Harry Vallence

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Location: east coast

I'm with you Blue Som. Houla is a top crumber. The Houla knockers on TC don't understand the game!!

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BlueWorld

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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:02 am

Robert Walls

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A picture is worth a thousand words

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=1p88hV9SE ... re=related

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=NVtnhIWX_ ... re=related

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Oiyyzr8rqB0

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj_f5yJBZXY

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=mKuLQnf8lwk

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=6cSeMdfy_ ... re=related

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=prxRuXXml ... re=related

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=6on7q-yqhf8

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=MP7TE059S ... re=related

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=CHt-8aeIi ... re=related

And one more recent one:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=I_Y7SyuqOTA

Last edited by BlueWorld on Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:46 am, edited 1 time in total.

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tommi

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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:08 am

Bruce Doull

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I like Houla..................

for the last few years he's delivered the ball to Feva the best..........!

always hit him on the chest.......that says something..........!

kindest regards tommi

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Taff

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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:47 am

John Nicholls

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BlueWorld wrote:

Let's hope the injury heals quickly.

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DownUnderChick

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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:19 am

Herald Sun columnist

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Watching those youtube clips is how little I recognise our team today. :oops:

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budzy

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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:35 pm

Wayne Johnston

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am
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Blue Sombrero wrote:

budzy wrote:

Blue Sombrero wrote:

No way! Intensity levels are rarely at the required level.

Sorry, are you disagreeing with his ability to read the ball off the packs or suggesting he can't kick with his left foot, that he is a shit shot for goal or that he is an inaccurate pass?

Not at all.

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Blues Forever

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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:02 pm

Garry Crane

Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:57 pm
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Location: Pratt's private jet

We lack crumbers and it hurts us big time. Whenever one of our forwards drops a mark, opposition players always gather the ball and hit us hard on the rebound. Perfect example of this was R3 against Essendon*

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TruBlueBrad

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:38 pm

Stephen Silvagni

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Blue Sombrero wrote:

Wouldn't the fact he's great at running past packs and drilling or passing the ball indicate to you he's best played off half-back where he gets the opportunity to run like that and set up play?

Houla has played his best football either at half-back or as a run with player in the midfield.

He's very rarely played as a forward over the last 5 years.

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Warby

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:12 pm

Stephen Silvagni

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This is the whole thing.....Houla is a very creative free flowing goal kicking forward, who knows how to drop into a vacant space on the forward line, taking pressure off Fevola.

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Elwood Blues1

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:24 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am
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budzy wrote:

Blue Sombrero wrote:

No way! Intensity levels are rarely at the required level.

I'm with Budzy....his intenstity is crumby and there is more to crumbing than cherry picking ....holding the ball in the forward fifty, applying pressure on rebounding defenders...Rioli is a great chaser and tackler to go with his goalkicking skills, he creates opportunities for others.

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Blue Sombrero

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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:06 pm

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:56 am
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Location: Progreso, Yucatan, MEXICO

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

budzy wrote:

Blue Sombrero wrote:

No way! Intensity levels are rarely at the required level.

You didn't look at the clips above, obviously or you'd have seen his ability to tackle and pressure.
It's OK to hate and bag a player for the sake of it, just as it's ok to like a player for the sake of it.
Feel free.

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BlueLife

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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:18 pm

Ken Hands

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:22 pm
Posts: 424

Houlihan looks a million dollars when the going is good and is close to our most skilled player.

But, I can't count the amount of times I have walked away from a game over the last 6 years when we have been smashed and Houlihan (as a senior player for a lot of that time) was nowhere to be seen in terms of leadership and physical pressure on the opposition. He just doesn't stand up when the going gets tough.

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