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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:44 pm 
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GOOD:
Murphy
Bower
Betts- still performing!!!!
Simmo gettin back to best
Scotland wasn't to bad

BAD:
Russell- don't know how some people are saying he had a good game, we cant keep him in the side for one good handball or tackle a game, these aren't signs.
Missed Hadley big time i reckon
Umpires were shockin in the last- Fev's arms being chopped and wasn't paid, would of got us within 10 points and shifted ther momentum of the match, this is only to name one of about 6 stupid decisions.
Gibbs- not showin his potential, a man with his capabilities should be showin more, i think he is to slow for a run with backman always a few metres behind at crucial moments in the game, needs to play in the midfield or forward to exploit the opposition.

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Some of you have rose coloured glasses. Bagging Fev and Co. Yeh I thought he could of done more, but he cannot win us every game. He does get frustrated being the only one capable of kicking goals every week stuck with 3-4 defenders on him each time.

Gibbs should be doing more I reckon. With the reputation he had before coming to us, with his pinpoint disposal etc, he is mucking up too much. He will be great dont get me wrong, but I bleed when I look at Joel Selwood winning games for Geelong.

He does sometimes spectate as well, and could be harder at the ball.

You guys always use Fev as a scapegoat, or even Stevo. Its getting tiring.

No-one has mentioned Jammo getting taken to the cleaners by Burton. The number of times he got turned inside out to get easy goals is ridiculous.

The point i am making is we are all making mistakes, not one or two players. Waite also should be disciplined enough not to crack it, they are warned about these things. (even though the free kick was bullshit)

I dont think our players try hard enough, especially when we are losing. Its all in their heads, not sure how we are going to fix this childish mindset we seem to have.


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Some of you have rose coloured glasses. Bagging Fev and Co. Yeh I thought he could of done more, but he cannot win us every game. He does get frustrated being the only one capable of kicking goals every week stuck with 3-4 defenders on him each time.

What I can't work out, given that both teams have approximately 18 players on the field at any one time, is why we avoid kicking it to the opponents of the spare defender or two that run to cover Fev almost every time we have a possession on the wing.
FFS, if Fisher's man runs to help cover Fev, why don't they kick it to Fisher? Kennedy had the same problem. And Setanta. And Edwards.
I still reckon we should play Fev at CHF roving the 50m arc and leading towards the goal to a space left vacant by the FF leading outwards. I have said it for months and I see Terry Wallace is now doing it with Richo. It's a soccer tactic that creates space for strikers. Run the ball wide and pass it inwards to somebody attacking the goalsquare.

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Exactly with all the defenders on fev, other players can run forward and get space or even the midfielders have more space to run forward and shoot for goal.

Everyone is bagging Edwards in the Bullants but when I see him, he tackles and harrasses. I think we need to develop him and show faith in him in the seniors. While he is not kicking heaps of goals, his tackling is very good.


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I agree with what you are saying Blue Sombrero!

It just gets ridiculous with the Fev-centric focus. An example was the game against St Kilda. In the first quarter we kicked the ball to Edwards and we looked dangerous. After that we seemed to forget he was out on the park and looked for Fev at every opportunity. The same has happened to Fisher, kennedy, and countless other suspects over the past few years.


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So what's the reason for this?

Is it Ratts instructing the players to do it [which, is an even bigger worry in my book] or can the players only see the Shag?

We are playing tempo footy at the moment, which leaves us time to see what's ahead and also to get our loose player to find some space while Fev has so many on him.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:01 pm 
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CaptnCarlton wrote:
PROS:

- Taking costly turnovers into account, we were in the game upto 3qtr time
- JR had a good game apart from his shots at goal
- Bower improvement. He's going to be a beauty
- Hard physical running and tackling for first 3 qtrs

CONS
- Getting flogged in the ruck & centre clearances, in particular the 2nd half
- The free kick against the Waite punch
- Poor disposal
- Fev sulking and not giving off to team mates in good position
- lack of discipline at times



Great point we got slaughtered in the hit outs and by who Griffin and Tippet, this is not good enough. Hampson needs to come in at least he can jump.

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Fevola wrote:
Exactly with all the defenders on fev, other players can run forward and get space or even the midfielders have more space to run forward and shoot for goal.

Everyone is bagging Edwards in the Bullants but when I see him, he tackles and harrasses. I think we need to develop him and show faith in him in the seniors. While he is not kicking heaps of goals, his tackling is very good.

Sounds like Russell? :shock:

God help us if we have defend Grigg, Russell and Edwards on here against the know alls. :lol:

Cons: Hartlett injured when Kennedy stood up.
Pros: It's a short break between games, so the Russell bashers won't get much time off between drinks. :lol:


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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Fevola wrote:
Some of you have rose coloured glasses. Bagging Fev and Co. Yeh I thought he could of done more, but he cannot win us every game. He does get frustrated being the only one capable of kicking goals every week stuck with 3-4 defenders on him each time.

What I can't work out, given that both teams have approximately 18 players on the field at any one time, is why we avoid kicking it to the opponents of the spare defender or two that run to cover Fev almost every time we have a possession on the wing.
FFS, if Fisher's man runs to help cover Fev, why don't they kick it to Fisher? Kennedy had the same problem. And Setanta. And Edwards.
I still reckon we should play Fev at CHF roving the 50m arc and leading towards the goal to a space left vacant by the FF leading outwards. I have said it for months and I see Terry Wallace is now doing it with Richo. It's a soccer tactic that creates space for strikers. Run the ball wide and pass it inwards to somebody attacking the goalsquare.


Very smart comment sombrero...I agree..when they double team Fev we must play him up the ground and drop a big body like a kruezer to the goal square.

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Pros:
Great first quarter against good opposition.
Another terrific game from Carrazzo.
Russell showed a real appetite for the contest.
Bower was really exciting again.
Kreuzer around the ground.
Browne looks like he'll be another senior player.
Eddie's first half.
Jamo's second half.
Run and carry from Simmo and Stevo and Murphy.
Judd was quiet, but still was only a whisker away from kicking 4 goals. Simply an incredible player.
Bentick was a decent contributor. Not sure he'll get a game when Hadley is ready to return, but it's good for our depth if Bentick can perform when in the team.

Cons:
Smashed around the contests. Where we lost the game.
Poor finishing for goal by a number of our players: Fev, Russell, Grigg and Fisher.
Poor passing to Fev when he did get in space.
Gave away some cheap goals in defence.
Injuries.
Wrong side of the umpiring in the second half.


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Pros:
Hartlett before he did the hammy - presented well
Betts - really is maturing into a dammaging player
1st Quarter pressure - really impressive tackling and pressure
Stevens goal - I know he has been practising this one

Cons
TBird injury - really hard to replace
Too many gifted goals due to poor kick-ins, chip kicks to player not running (Kruezer to Bower)
Jordan Russell - whats the point in being able to get the pill and not dispose of it properly (His goal-kicking is the least of his problems)

In the end some stuff-ups and umpiring gifted the Crows enough to beat us, but we were missing after half time and that will have to improve.

not sure who will cover Hammer and TBird so its going to be a challenge after a promising start to the season.

It was my first game at the 'G in 5 years and I just loved being at the game though.

DH

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Con: the sort of shit some people here spout when we lose one match against a far more skilled and experienced team.

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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Con: the sort of shit some people here spout when we lose one match against a far more skilled and experienced team.


Pro - That KK comes out of 'Stuff' and joins the rest of us who don't want to talk politics in the footy season :wink: .

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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Con: the sort of shit some people here spout when we lose one match against a far more skilled and experienced team.


Pro - That KK comes out of 'Stuff' and joins the rest of us who don't want to talk politics in the footy season :wink: .


:-D

I love youse, Duke..... :-D

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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Con: the sort of shit some people here spout when we lose one match against a far more skilled and experienced team.


Pro - That KK comes out of 'Stuff' and joins the rest of us who don't want to talk politics in the footy season :wink: .


:-D

I love youse, Duke..... :-D


It's good to have you out of that dark smelly room. It always smells of beer farts in there :lol: .

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The Duke wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
The Duke wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Con: the sort of shit some people here spout when we lose one match against a far more skilled and experienced team.


Pro - That KK comes out of 'Stuff' and joins the rest of us who don't want to talk politics in the footy season :wink: .


:-D

I love youse, Duke..... :-D


It's good to have you out of that dark smelly room. It always smells of beer farts in there :lol: .


Deano has a lot to answer for. :lol:

Although some would say this room smells much worse.

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Not seeing much love either for Bentick's 20 touches (6 contested), 11 tackles and 0 clangers (in retrospect I should've given him votes).

Russell had 5 clangers, the most of anyone, and made 2-3 critical blues which cost us badly. God, I can only imagine how the knives would be out if it was Bentick with those stats. Praise is getting so badly misdirected it isn't funny.

Zero clangers from Bentick?

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

Stats are an interpretation and mean nothing.

Bentick turned it over in the last quarter because he kicked a floater to Fisher and we had a throw in.

Another Bentick kick led to that Vince goal because he missed Waite who was running forward and Scotland gave away a free.

I'd love to know who is doing the stats when they gave Russell 12 errors and Bentick zero clangers.

It wouldn't surprise me if they confused Russell with Grigg because they don't know our younger players.


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BlueIce wrote:
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

Stats are an interpretation and mean nothing.

Bentick turned it over in the last quarter because he kicked a floater to Fisher and we had a throw in.

Another Bentick kick led to that Vince goal because he missed Waite who was running forward and Scotland gave away a free.

I'd love to know who is doing the stats when they gave Russell 12 errors and Bentick zero clangers.

It wouldn't surprise me if they confused Russell with Grigg because they don't know our younger players.


i don't know whether those at the CFC website would confuse their stats, but anyway, if you have a go at Bentick because his passes weren't lace out, then we better make way in the twos for 1 Marc Murphy and B.Gibbs.

The fact is, AB had very good efficiency, clearances, goal assists, tackles and first possessions.

Still, he is really, really slow and shouldn't be playing :roll: .

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