Maybe if we gave him some bloody help as well that wouldn't go astray.

We knew Rutten was a quality defender and early on at the Punt Road End Fev was standing in the square with Rutten on him and a Crows player 10 metres in front of him.

Fev has to be able to lead 45 - 50 out so the double team is up the field and we can kick over him.

We need some other marking options up forward, Hartlett unfortunately keeps breaking down, and we don't appear to have to much to offer.

We need another marking forward and a good small leading forward to create multiple targets.

I think as serviceable as Pfeiffer could be we should have looked at nabbing Scott Welsh to offer Fev that assistance.

We may have to stop being stubborn and plant Waite up forward again to offer more up front with the resting ruckman to help out, and go with Jamison, Bower, Thornton, Setanta etc as our options down back.

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I listened to the same commentary, and I didn't think it was bitter at all. It was very much based around how the performance was a blight on what he'd put in during recent games. When he lined one up in the third, they were saying it could still be the spark for him to ignite his game.

Overall, they even said it sounded like they were being harsh, but that they just couldn't believe it was the same guy - and that Fev needed to produce the chase of the past 3 games even if it didn't result in goals. (And isn't that what Ratts has said to him too?? )

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Fev was beaten. I agree that he had no enthusasim, but they all have their off days.
Loved it when he kicked his second goal, a crows supporter two rows infront of us yelled out 'YOU WONT KICK THIS'... and I said 'You just watch him mate'. Boy did he cop shit for that. Was good, was good.

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Fev just had the one goal Riss

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Didn't Fev kick 1.3?

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He kicked two.

His second was a BLINDER...though it's registered as Judd's now.

Seriously?
How did that happen?

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Ump reckoned there was no advantage, so Judd had to take the shot..and kicked it.

Reckon we should've been awarded both goals.

i play poker during the day when i can - especially online - you can make a killing - its when the other side of the world gets home from work and want to throw their hard earned away

sorry if you were offended i wasnt meaning to refer to you as childish - rather your statement

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

A goal doesn't count as advantage? The umpires baffle me.

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almost as good as giving an extra goal for timewasting

why on earth you would timewaste when you are losing and how on earth a ball rocketing into the crowd can be timewasting when their are 80 balls in bags scattered around the ground is beyond me.

the next time someone showponies into an open square and boots it up into the stands - i hope they get pinged for timewasting

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Fev was double and triple teamed, the service wasn't great and when it was he managed to spill several. He is one of the few senior players at the club, when things aren't great, he needs to show leadership not drop his head. He chased well sometimes other times he didn't. Several times he allowed his opponent to run away from him. The measure of a great player is that whe things goes his way he dominates (as Fev does) and when things don't go his way he still imposes himself on the contest and lifts his team by sheer will and effort (too often Fev doesn't). Very ordinary performance. Also the coach needs to do something to make us less Fev concious. If Fev doesn't kcik a bag we have no plan B

Doesn't the clock stop after a goal anyway?
Ray Chamberlain has always been a spud.

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I must not have been concentrating in that bit... i thought it was fevs goal.
Anyway... I meant his first goal..

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True. Hartlett was the other option as mentioned by Ratts, but injury took care of that and when TBird went down, it exposed us badly. Our epth is still a concern.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

wasn't his day, dropped a gimme mark in the opening minute of the game. didn't kick as well as he has recently. another marking attempt just didn't seem to stick etc.

was annoying seeing two guys standing him and us allowing it. neil craig's aftermatch comment praising both rutten AND bock great job on fevola was a bit rich ...

what frustrated me was the way in which fev frittered away some half chances to work himself into the game, to impose himself even on an off day as gerry mentioned above. fev got clean possesion on a couple of occasions and rather than straighten up and drill it he opted to kick across his body. on one such occasion he was almost 50 out.

at an elite level these sort of things look great when they come off and of course get the media twats like mike sheahan salivating over more column inches devoted to lists and hypotheticals ... but given where we're at it may help the team more if the percentages were played, or if a team mate in a better position sought.

btw ... didn't chamberlain pay advantage in the 3rd qtr when fev was infringed in the marking duel and with murphy running onto the spilt ball? on the game on friday night, the umpires constantly called back the free if there was no actual advantage.

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Fev had his arms Chopped all day...whoever was umpiring that day abviously does not believe in that Rule


I Blame Kevin Bartlett , he is the one behind Changing the Game and making it a game of Netball

I'm slowly coming round to the thought of trading Fev and has nothing to do with performance on the weekend or any of his indiscretions. Couldn't care what he does off field.

Full forwards are not as important as they use to be. They almost force teams to become one dimensional. Most teams nowadays set up with mobile mid and small size forwards with one or two big men.

He is not a CHF, he is not a one strong grab, hardly takes a one on one contested mark where he out bodies his opponent, usually goes for his marks with one hand. He is not a hit up forward and below his knees he is pretty much useless. On the lead he is unstoppable as he is pretty quick but once he loses that???

But saying all that, how do you know the draft picks you get for Fev will come good. It's a real tough one. I think of teams like the pies who traded Mal Michael, Chris Tarrant and Nick Davis or the hawks Nathan Thompson and Jonathan Hay and where they are at now, they not looking back. Imagine if we could get pick up 2 young talented KPP forwards like a Kennedy and Roughead they will service us for 10 years.

Its something you could debate all day and everyone going to have different opinions. I just hope the club make the right decision.

how bout ppl like fish (who is a gun) and the other forwards step up for once and help out fev, he cant always do it himself. And ppl baggin fev game, he had hardly any opportunites, had 2-3 players on him, the delievery to him was shithouse, and the fukin umpires continue to give him shit all, esp that little runt chamberlain. And i watched the game today, fev did chase so u cant bag him for that.

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