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Should Jordan Russell remain on the list at the end of the season?
Yes 74%  74%  [ 145 ]
No 26%  26%  [ 51 ]
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TruBlueBrad
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the incessant bagging of jordan russell has become rubbish and like it or not TC sponsor the kid - so it makes a mockery for the site to be littered with rubbish posts out and out bagging the kid.

i havent seen too much constructive criticism of his game or skills - what i have seen is sheep jumping on a rotting bandwagon trying to be cool doing what they think is the "in" thing.

criticism of JR was warranted a month ago - but the past 3 weeks JR has shown much improvement and for that warrants praise.

I am in no way saying JR is awesome and is the best player in the world - but his effort and development should be commended and supported not continually rubbished by rubbish posts.

I cant see why people are expecting him or us for that matter to be world beaters with such an inexperienced list - relax , sit back and enjoy the ride - its a bumpy one but as long as the boys try their guts out and play with passion and pride then we should be happy - you cant bemoan skill errors from kids this early in their careers - they need more time.

all we can ask for is improvement and right now JR is showing that.


So has Michael Jamison, Bower, Grigg, Betts, Cloke this year also.. Much more..

Don't you think it's just a little pathetic that a player lining up from 25m kicks in to the man on the mark, which inevitably saps the team of momentum and confidence?

Our team is taking shape and really starting to grow.. We don't need passengers like Russell in our side to carry.. We don't need to wrap him in cotton wool if he's mentally too soft to take the bull by the scruff of the neck and do something important for the team!

Look mate this is life! AFL is the winning and losing business.. We need a team of 22 winners in our side.. I cant stand mediocrity in my team... Jordan Russell and that pathetic garbage in front of goal is a constant reminder of the bad news blues we've had to endure for the last several years..

Oh by the way, kicking for goal is the most neglected skill in our game.. How any AFL footballer can pull off a kick like that is a joke!


Have a look at what you've written here.

Do you really need to describe him as pathetic, garbage, a joke, passenger, a loser...?

If your brother was an AFL footballer, would you be happy to come on here and read comments like these attributed to him?

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Not sure if this has been mentioned But ....

If JR kicks the goal, would this even be a thread......
Oh maybe in Round 20, but now.... :?

But he missed it ...

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TruBlueBrad wrote:
No1Blue wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
the incessant bagging of jordan russell has become rubbish and like it or not TC sponsor the kid - so it makes a mockery for the site to be littered with rubbish posts out and out bagging the kid.

i havent seen too much constructive criticism of his game or skills - what i have seen is sheep jumping on a rotting bandwagon trying to be cool doing what they think is the "in" thing.

criticism of JR was warranted a month ago - but the past 3 weeks JR has shown much improvement and for that warrants praise.

I am in no way saying JR is awesome and is the best player in the world - but his effort and development should be commended and supported not continually rubbished by rubbish posts.

I cant see why people are expecting him or us for that matter to be world beaters with such an inexperienced list - relax , sit back and enjoy the ride - its a bumpy one but as long as the boys try their guts out and play with passion and pride then we should be happy - you cant bemoan skill errors from kids this early in their careers - they need more time.

all we can ask for is improvement and right now JR is showing that.


So has Michael Jamison, Bower, Grigg, Betts, Cloke this year also.. Much more..

Don't you think it's just a little pathetic that a player lining up from 25m kicks in to the man on the mark, which inevitably saps the team of momentum and confidence?

Our team is taking shape and really starting to grow.. We don't need passengers like Russell in our side to carry.. We don't need to wrap him in cotton wool if he's mentally too soft to take the bull by the scruff of the neck and do something important for the team!

Look mate this is life! AFL is the winning and losing business.. We need a team of 22 winners in our side.. I cant stand mediocrity in my team... Jordan Russell and that pathetic garbage in front of goal is a constant reminder of the bad news blues we've had to endure for the last several years..

Oh by the way, kicking for goal is the most neglected skill in our game.. How any AFL footballer can pull off a kick like that is a joke!


Have a look at what you've written here.

Do you really need to describe him as pathetic, garbage, a joke, passenger, a loser...?

If your brother was an AFL footballer, would you be happy to come on here and read comments like these attributed to him?


TBB, while I don't really agree with much that he said in this post - No.1Blue only called JR 'a passenger'.

He described an attempt of JRs yesterday as 'pathetic' and 'garbage'.

He mentioned that it was 'a joke' how an AFL footballer could kick into the man on the mark. (this I agree with, and I said the same with Setanta when he did it.)

And nowhere did No.1Blue called JR a loser.


Sure they are not nice things to say, and JR reading that post would not be very happy - but I thought I'd put his post into perspective...

...as negative as any one post may be (and it was let's face it), it's pretty easy for someone else to make it appear a lot worse - and this is what I believe you have done.
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
No1Blue wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
the incessant bagging of jordan russell has become rubbish and like it or not TC sponsor the kid - so it makes a mockery for the site to be littered with rubbish posts out and out bagging the kid.

i havent seen too much constructive criticism of his game or skills - what i have seen is sheep jumping on a rotting bandwagon trying to be cool doing what they think is the "in" thing.

criticism of JR was warranted a month ago - but the past 3 weeks JR has shown much improvement and for that warrants praise.

I am in no way saying JR is awesome and is the best player in the world - but his effort and development should be commended and supported not continually rubbished by rubbish posts.

I cant see why people are expecting him or us for that matter to be world beaters with such an inexperienced list - relax , sit back and enjoy the ride - its a bumpy one but as long as the boys try their guts out and play with passion and pride then we should be happy - you cant bemoan skill errors from kids this early in their careers - they need more time.

all we can ask for is improvement and right now JR is showing that.


So has Michael Jamison, Bower, Grigg, Betts, Cloke this year also.. Much more..

Don't you think it's just a little pathetic that a player lining up from 25m kicks in to the man on the mark, which inevitably saps the team of momentum and confidence?

Our team is taking shape and really starting to grow.. We don't need passengers like Russell in our side to carry.. We don't need to wrap him in cotton wool if he's mentally too soft to take the bull by the scruff of the neck and do something important for the team!

Look mate this is life! AFL is the winning and losing business.. We need a team of 22 winners in our side.. I cant stand mediocrity in my team... Jordan Russell and that pathetic garbage in front of goal is a constant reminder of the bad news blues we've had to endure for the last several years..

Oh by the way, kicking for goal is the most neglected skill in our game.. How any AFL footballer can pull off a kick like that is a joke!


Have a look at what you've written here.

Do you really need to describe him as pathetic, garbage, a joke, passenger, a loser...?

If your brother was an AFL footballer, would you be happy to come on here and read comments like these attributed to him?


:lol:

Mate i never called Jordan Russell a loser, and never described him as a person to be pathetic and a joke..

I even mentioned that JR did a couple of OK things yesterday and his tackling was good..

What i was referring to, was his decision making, his turnovers and in particular that kicking for goal.. It was garbage, and he's produced that in front of goal more than once..

I don't doubt his endeavour as a player, i do very highly doubt his skills! :!:

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...saps the team of momentum and confidence


That's a lie.
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Ok, I was being a bit mischievous and twisting comments to use words against you :)

A loser came from the comment that we only have room for 22 winners in the side.

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I don't doubt his endeavour as a player, i do very highly doubt his skills!


I guess what I'm trying to say is...Why can't you just say that then?

Forget words like pathetic, garbage and joke and just say you think he's struggling, it was a poor attemp at kicking for goal and his skills may not be up to it. I dont have a problem with you saying that.

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Tractor Boy wrote:
Not sure if this has been mentioned But ....

If JR kicks the goal, would this even be a thread......
Oh maybe in Round 20, but now.... :?

But he missed it ...

A few Adelaide fans were critical of Douglas' game yesterday because he had five clangers like Russell.

Yet he kicked three goals. :lol:

You can't please all the people, all of the time. :wink: :roll:
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Jordan did not have a great game but he's a kid and needs to be given more time. IMO he was not our worst player yesterday. He has not played a lot of senior football and his skills will improve especially if he's working with Braddles. Missing a goal or kicking into the man on the mark has happened to a lot of different players and some with a lot more experience.
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No1Blue wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
the incessant bagging of jordan russell has become rubbish and like it or not TC sponsor the kid - so it makes a mockery for the site to be littered with rubbish posts out and out bagging the kid.

i havent seen too much constructive criticism of his game or skills - what i have seen is sheep jumping on a rotting bandwagon trying to be cool doing what they think is the "in" thing.

criticism of JR was warranted a month ago - but the past 3 weeks JR has shown much improvement and for that warrants praise.

I am in no way saying JR is awesome and is the best player in the world - but his effort and development should be commended and supported not continually rubbished by rubbish posts.

I cant see why people are expecting him or us for that matter to be world beaters with such an inexperienced list - relax , sit back and enjoy the ride - its a bumpy one but as long as the boys try their guts out and play with passion and pride then we should be happy - you cant bemoan skill errors from kids this early in their careers - they need more time.

all we can ask for is improvement and right now JR is showing that.


So has Michael Jamison, Bower, Grigg, Betts, Cloke this year also.. Much more..

Don't you think it's just a little pathetic that a player lining up from 25m kicks in to the man on the mark, which inevitably saps the team of momentum and confidence?

Our team is taking shape and really starting to grow.. We don't need passengers like Russell in our side to carry.. We don't need to wrap him in cotton wool if he's mentally too soft to take the bull by the scruff of the neck ..............


Look, people in glass houses are worth two in the bush..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Russell kicking into the man on the mark started out at "40 metres out", moved through "35 metres out", and is now "25 metres out". Pretty soon he'll have missed it from the goal square!!!!!

Give him a break - he played a much better game yesterday and if not for his clangers (not dissimilar to some of Waite's over the past few years) would have been our best player.

But if you really wanna look where the problem is, then someone tell me: how many hard ball gets did Houlihan have over the past three weeks??
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The main point of this thread was---- Will JR be on the list next year? Idon't think he's as bad as some people say, but I think he will have to be cut at the seasons end. I don't think he will have much trade value.We will have to drop at least 6 players to make room for 1 or 2 to be promoted from the rookie list, and still have room for trade week and the drafts. Probably 7 players will have to go. Jammo is still classed as a rookie, I think, and Jacobs, is in his second year and has to come up next season. That leaves 5 vacancies for trading and drafting. I can't se JR surviving jn that situation unless he makes a huge improvement in the near future.
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I voted we keep him. There's always players who unite and those who divide. Jordan's the latter. He is improving and showing good moments.

Anything can happen and if he drops away badly and the club would have no choice but to consider their options, but at this stage and rate of improvement, in my book, he stays.

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He's a real improver and a definite keeper for mine.
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I won't ever bag a bloke personally because he's not in the team to be my mate. I'm sure he's a nice bloke, BUT, he has not improved - he's getting worse.

I am amazed at Ratten's comments given the amount of un-contested turnovers committed Saturday. He laid a couple of nice tackles but that was it. I don't know whether he should be de-listed next year, but he should/must be sent to the Ants before he is perminantly scarred by his own poor efforts. He should be playing where he has more time, and can concerntrate on improving his game.

Ratten said before the game that if you don't have speed you must have fantastic skills - unfortunately the speed seems to be #1 and daylight to skills.

AB was great on the weekend. Showed how much his disposal's improved and layed 11 tackles.

He'll probably be dropped this week.

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It is mind over matter for JR, if I believe he was drafted at pick 60 then I think he is developing well.

There is too much pressure on him due to being drafted in the first round. If he was a bargain basement pick then everyone would be happy with his development.

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It is mind over matter for JR, if I believe he was drafted at pick 60 then I think he is developing well.

There is too much pressure on him due to being drafted in the first round. If he was a bargain basement pick then everyone would be happy with his development.


If he was pick 60 he'd be playing for Norwood by now. The fact he was #9 means people will clutch at straws and kid themselves that he'll develop into something. He is doing more damage by playing at the G in front of 50-80,000 people than he would playing at PP.

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Even though I watched it on tv it was easy to see the 1%'ers he applied all game. His problem appears to be above the shoulders, confidence wise.


Couldn't agree more Taff.

While Russell clearly has a long way to go, he has, IMHO, got better with each game he has played this year.

Our first 2 goals came as a direct result of his tackles. 16 possessions, 9 marks and 9 tackles, and most of those possessions were good. He is running harder, doing more grunt work, and has shown an ability to mark strongly.

I haven't seen much of him when playing for the Bullants, but all reports on here suggest that his strength is his disposal. If that is the case, then the fact that he has turned the ball over at crucial times this year (and kicked into the man on the mark) suggests to me that it is a confidence thing. Once he gets some confidence (which I feel is not far away), then the whole thing could turn for him.

I am more confident about his ability to make it as a footballer today than I have ever been.

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Definitely yes if he maintains all of the good signs that he showed Saturday and starts to grow in confidence and thus eliminate the errors that he made.
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Ok, I was being a bit mischievous and twisting comments to use words against you :)

Inflaming instead of tempering :roll:

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JR IS improving so he should stay and continue to be encouraged IMO. :)

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