i reckon you're on to something there

Great to see difference of opinion is still respected on this site...

What a joke.

When are people going to stop wrapping players in cotton wool all their lives?! Regardless of whether they are sponsored by us or otherwise.

A flat out 'he's shit' is one thing (and yes I've said this before) but some people are stating constructive criticism in regards to Russell's shortcomings on the field...

..and instead of dealing with the issues these people are bringing up - it's a lot easier to bag out the poster full stop.


This isn't directed at any one person - more directed at people who love to give their opinions as 'the correct one', and choose to belittle or simply dismiss the poster that begs to differ.


Who is the childish one then?!

Are we aloud to express opinion without being attacked with no rebuff on our points whatsoever? Or must everybody toe the line of the majority opinion in order to have their views appreciated...


Makes TC appear as less of a forum, and more of a 'toe the line or your out' clique.





Complete rubbish.

the incessant bagging of jordan russell has become rubbish and like it or not TC sponsor the kid - so it makes a mockery for the site to be littered with rubbish posts out and out bagging the kid.

i havent seen too much constructive criticism of his game or skills - what i have seen is sheep jumping on a rotting bandwagon trying to be cool doing what they think is the "in" thing.

criticism of JR was warranted a month ago - but the past 3 weeks JR has shown much improvement and for that warrants praise.

I am in no way saying JR is awesome and is the best player in the world - but his effort and development should be commended and supported not continually rubbished by rubbish posts.

I cant see why people are expecting him or us for that matter to be world beaters with such an inexperienced list - relax , sit back and enjoy the ride - its a bumpy one but as long as the boys try their guts out and play with passion and pride then we should be happy - you cant bemoan skill errors from kids this early in their careers - they need more time.

all we can ask for is improvement and right now JR is showing that.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Couldn't agree more.

I dubbed Wiggins a dud very early in his career, for similar reasons, average skills, poor decision making, etc. etc. and I like to think I've been proven right.

It staggers me how people get excited about his 9 tackles and hard running.

There would be another 150 boys out there that could offer the same.

I'm more concerned with him not being able to kick over a mark from 35 out.

I can't wait until we see the back of him and every other player of his ilk.

That's when I'll know we're finally back.

please name the 150 players on our list who would have been better than JR the past 3 weeks.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

More than half the people on here like to think they are right on that one phoenix, nothing new, you arent the first.

Jordan Russell, he goes ok, I would think a hell of alot better than most of the people on this site, though I could be wrong.............


HEY GRRO!!!!!

grro, careful what you ask for, someone will come up with 150 trust me lol

let them - im sure it would be good for a laugh

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

The only reason I pop in occasionally these days......

its a laugh a minute nowadays natnat

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Granted there has been improvement in the kid over the past few weeks, there were just a few costly errors that I witnessed yesterday, and while it was pointed out to me that he played a hand in the first two goals - as mentioned in the other thread I didn't rock up to the ground until after then...

Let's get this straight right now though, I haven't been shit-canning the kid relentlessly - had a little spray in a post on the match discussion yesterday. My issue is with people not respecting difference of opinion.

While I don't agree with the constant un-called for bagging of JR, some put their views forth with a little more substance, citing reason and rationality as to why they haven't been impressed with JR. Sure, it may still be at odds with other people's opinion - but it still deserves to be treated with a little (even a smidgin ) more respect than one line postings trolls that simply want to trash a Carlton player.

I liken it to a supporter at a football game.

If you have not been happy with a players performance on the day, you can either scream a few expletives at the top of your lungs in the players direction, or you can discuss the inadequacies in the players performance with a mate after the game.

I'm sure we can all work out the 'bandwagon shit-canners' from those that draw reason to their opinion.

I must say though the fact that the site is sponsoring JR should be of little relevance. Every player should be judged on their merits and should not be treated otherwise simply because TC sponsors them.

And even then, judging a player on their merits is subject to personal opinion, right?!

I'll give you some credit for apologising.

What I'm going to say applies not only to you, but to everyone here.

Everyone is entitled and welcome to provide their thoughts on players, coaches, the way we play the game or any other aspect of the game/club...thats what the forum is for.

Critique his game, but where most of us get annoyed is when posters attack players personally, go over the top in their criticism, make outlandish statements like 'he should never play for the club again', 'he's a disgrace', "I'll be glad to see the back of him' and start new threads to do so.

Personally, the thing that annoys me the most, and I'm not accusing you of doing this, is when players get labelled a 'dud' or some other similar term. They may not be up to the standard of football at this level, but all players to give their all week in and week out, it would nice to afford them some level of respect to go with that.

Imagine if you knew the player, were friends with a player or even related...what if Jordan was your brother....would you be happy to see some of the comments here?

Please bear in mind that we do on occassion have players friends or family visit here...and who knows, there may even be the odd player visit as well.

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just so you know i was in no way singling you out

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

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There's about 190 right there.


(...before you start picking at them, it's a dump from a players list website... haw haw haw)

Yes I see that, sadly:(

the majority of them dont play for us - this isnt supercoach or dreamteam

name me even 5 players on our list who would have had more impact in the past 3 weeks that werent playing

its also been analysed on here in the past that there aint a great deal of quality taken after JR in that draft either

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

pity some of his good things were cancelled out by his kicking.
missed very gettable set shot, a "gimme" on the run then kicked into the man on the mark.
three goals plus two harts missed in the first quarter really killed us.

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So has Michael Jamison, Bower, Grigg, Betts, Cloke this year also.. Much more..

Don't you think it's just a little pathetic that a player lining up from 25m kicks in to the man on the mark, which inevitably saps the team of momentum and confidence?

Our team is taking shape and really starting to grow.. We don't need passengers like Russell in our side to carry.. We don't need to wrap him in cotton wool if he's mentally too soft to take the bull by the scruff of the neck and do something important for the team!

Look mate this is life! AFL is the winning and losing business.. We need a team of 22 winners in our side.. I cant stand mediocrity in my team... Jordan Russell and that pathetic garbage in front of goal is a constant reminder of the bad news blues we've had to endure for the last several years..

Oh by the way, kicking for goal is the most neglected skill in our game.. How any AFL footballer can pull off a kick like that is a joke!

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players make mistakes - especially young ones

he kicked into the man on the mark , yes thats horribly bad - so what

at the risk of sounding like danny frawley - "he will learn from that"

he is a kid FFS , we have a team of kids and AFL might be about winning and losing but right now its about us developing

let the kids develop - he was in no way our worst and yet continually gets singled out

he in fact contributed to some of our goals - i bet you all cheered when that happened

hypocrites

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

outta here grro, keep up the sanity...this place is shit!!!!

For me Ratten is doing the right thing. Play him until the end of the year to give him a real chance to see if he is worth persisting with.

He is still young and at the moment have we got many better on our list?

His disposal is an issue but you cannot question his effort. His defensive pressure is excellent. I wish we had more him.