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Biggest pro Browne. Good to have another 18year old with natural football smarts. Great pick up. Hope we fast track him in the seniors to add to our midfield rotation.

Ist quarter effort really took the game to the Crows.

Eddie Betts in the first half. Would have liked him to play in the middle where we were getting thrashed

Bower is fast becoming our premier backman through his rebounding and runs.

Have more confidence in our defence punching the ball away in the marking contests.


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Early injuries hurts us in terms of player rotation. No fresh legs for the last quarter.

Thought we had a stronger midfield on paper but we got smashed in the middle by the bigger bodied types.

Still learning the tempo game style. Hope the players learnt from the opposition. When the Crows were swithing it from side to side they were waiting for the right option to kick it through the corridor. Our boys were kicking it with no purpose until they put themselves under pressure and turned it over.

The umpring deflected from the game. Did not influence the outcome but ruined the last quarter. They umps brought the game into disrepute.

They kicked too many goals running into goals goalside of a defender.

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1) JR did more good than bad today.

2) O'hAilpin and Bannister didn't even play.

3) So you've decided Browne is an "ORDINARY" player after 1 game?

4) Is that you DP...?
i know bannister and o'hailpin didnt play...which is why they are ordinary and not in the team consistently (plus injuries). browne will definately be in and out of the team. JR has to be dropped...he's not good enough to be playing afl footy...admit it


Er...no, I will not admit it. JR is still learning and developing as an AFL player. He hasn't got forever, but I think he is showing enough for us to persist with him for a bit longer yet. He is 21 and has played 34 games.

I can't work out what you're trying to say about O'hAilpin & Bannister. What do they have to do with today's loss? Do you expect every player to be a champion? And Bannister WAS playing consistently before he got injured.

Browne may well be in and out of the team a bit in his first few seasons - so what? So should we get rid of him? Not put any AFL games into him while he's learning? Do you expect players to come straight into the AFL and dominate? He will take time to develop, as will Bower and Grigg. I'm concerned about Browne's lack of leg speed, but otherwise think he looks promising.

I think you need to be patient and understand that it takes about 60 games before most guys become consistent AFL players.

That's why, with our list being as young as it is, it won't be until 2011 that we will be a genuine premiership threat. Swann said as much on SEN this morning.

In the meantime, enjoy watching our young guys learn, grow and develop....and accept that inconsistency and mistakes will happen until then. As long as they give 100% and show gradual improvement, I'll be satisfied.
Exactly. 2 years ago the same criticisms were being leveled against Geelong`s young team.It takes time.We are improving.


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-16 touches (5 of which were clangers) with a 68% efficiency
-2 frees against
-0 goals, 1 behind
-only 2 contested possesions
i dont think he's improving to much :roll:


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shuffagus 133 posts - no signs of substance - 0 AFL games

russell >>>>>>>>>> you

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grrofunger 7069 posts - no signs of substance - 0 AFL games

russell >>>>>>>>>> you


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grrofunger 7069 posts - no signs of substance - 0 AFL games

russell >>>>>>>>>> you


:lol:

ive had enough of you now

you've shown you have no idea and jumped on russell cos you thought it was the cool thing to do

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jumped on russell cos you thought it was the cool thing to do
nah not really...ive backed up my point with facts...all you've done is insult me.. :roll:


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jumped on russell cos you thought it was the cool thing to do
nah not really...ive backed up my point with facts...all you've done is insult me.. :roll:


no you posted stats - theres more to footy than stats

argh crap - im still talking to you

no more - you win

russell sux - off with his head !! - :garthp:

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grrofunger wrote:
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jumped on russell cos you thought it was the cool thing to do
nah not really...ive backed up my point with facts...all you've done is insult me.. :roll:


no you posted stats - theres more to footy than stats

argh crap - im still talking to you

no more - you win

russell sux - off with his head !! - :garthp:
pfffft.....whatever :lol:


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PRO'S - Browne loved his first act on a footy field, even if he didn't hold the mark. Most other pro's other posters have listed but I also thought Bentick actually produced a few good clearances and I'm in the "Russell is a pro not a con" camp.

Waite not connecting with the flying elbow is also a pro.

CON'S - Flowering umpires, especially that oxygen thief Chamberlain,
- injuries are going to start to really hurt
- watching Josh Kennedy rip it up against the Bulldogs


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- watching Josh Kennedy rip it up against the Bulldogs


as we continue to break down across HF :cry:

he has had 7 marks already with 11 minutes left in the 2nd

all leading from half forward

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Glad we've sorted the Russell one out now, we also know that in what? his third game that Kreuzer isnt a ruckman...excellent


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Glad we've sorted the Russell one out now, we also know that in what? his third game that Kreuzer isnt a ruckman...excellent


yep we write em off quick round here :garthp:

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The same people bagging Russell would be complaining that he wasn't getting an extended run in the seniors.


I doubt that, considering his form for the bullants was ordinary before he got in the seniors to begin with.


I remember countless posts last year saying he wasn't getting enough time on ground or a run of games even if his form didn't warrant it.

He is improving however so should stay in the team.


This isn't last year

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Donstuie wrote:
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The same people bagging Russell would be complaining that he wasn't getting an extended run in the seniors.


I doubt that, considering his form for the bullants was ordinary before he got in the seniors to begin with.


I remember countless posts last year saying he wasn't getting enough time on ground or a run of games even if his form didn't warrant it.

He is improving however so should stay in the team.


This isn't last year


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You seem to be getting awfully bemused tonight verbs

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con

not picking Setanta was always dangerous, don't flower with winning formulas.


Spot On

Con: Rattens one dimensional coaching. He needed Setanta in the Side to Move Waite to Center Half Forward to help Fev out. I think Waite went there at the end of the game - too late

Gibbs needed to play in the guts for at least a quarter today because we missed Hadley during qtr 2 & 3

Kreuzer may not be a ruckman. Either CHF or genuine Utility. Adelaide had two genuine Young ruckman today who gave their midfield first use of the ball from qtr 2 on. Hampson must be given 6 weeks in the seniors

My point is I do not think Ratten is a good coach for young talls


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lawrence_angwin wrote:
Pros

Browne's composure on debut
Russell! Genuinely excited me, if only he hadn't flowered up all those goalscoring opportunities (imagine what we'd be saying if he'd kicked 3)
Bentick - filled Hadley's shoes brilliantly I thought, best game I have seen him play in a long time (seemed to actually extract, rather than just be continuously tackled after getting first use)

Cons
Not sure whether to list Fev - sulked a bit, but if this is rock bottom is it an improvement?
Hartlett's hammy
Carrazzo's disposal


Pfft Jordan Russell!? Yes, imagine if he could kick a goal! I wonder what the Blueseum stats are on his kicking for goal?? He is the only weak link in our team, and his pathetic set shot in the 3rd quarter went a long way to us losing momentum, and eventually the match!

Why does Ratten keep playing him!?? Eventually you need to show the way and do your bit in the footy team, this guy makes up the numbers all in the hope that 1 day he will develop into a player! Against Collingwood is another game i remember him missing an easy shot on goal when we needed it..

Don't kid yourself, he's an extremely average footballer! He's played nearly 40 games for us now, and i've never seen him do anything even remotely special! flower moron!! :!:

.................DROP HIM, AND TEACH HIM TO KICK! I did see a scerrick of potential there, but that kicking for goal is 10yo stuff and worthy of omission.....

PROS: Defence.. I thought our defence held up very well today.. We were under seige all the way through the last quarter but some of our guys like Bower and Jamison are really coming on and developing, especially since the Collingwood game. Really starting to believe in themselves.

Waite: Ditto.. His good outweighs the Bad. Quality player.

Carrazzo: Very solid game, i have a lot of respect for this guy. Still not the best kick in our club, but not the worst we have and although his misfires on occasions, you can really tell over the last couple of years he's worked very hard on his kicking.

Kreuzer! He's a special kid! More than holding his own in the ruck, is mobile and athletic.. and is only 18! We look better for having him as option in our team! Has a very bright future..

Cloke: Gee, i love the way he goes about his footy! A real workhorse this guy, gets the best out of himself.. Very handy player to have in the side. Always gives a contest.

Betts: Ok, he wasnt brilliant all day but has improved from last year. And has that X-Factor you love in a player! Good skills, chases well and can kick a lovely goal. Still just 21 and i do think he will continue to improve.

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and Simpson both had good games also.. Browne shows a bit.

CONS: We lost! Crows were a bit too smart for us today.. Not a champion team but very well drilled, experienced and well coached. Both teams played a similar game style today, the crows played it better than us.

Our A Graders: Fevola and Chris Judd were well held by their opponents today! Both if playing up to their usual standards, we would have been at least a 5 goal better team today. Judd tried very hard, unfortunately just had 1 of those days.. Was never given an inch. Positive for me is i didnt see Fev crack it today, tried hard but soundly beaten.

Jordan Russell: See above.

Umpires: Very rarely i make excuses about the umps, but they were very ordinary, particularly in the 2nd half.

2nd half: Pretty disappointing but i do think we were just outplayed in the end.. A few of our players, in particular our 2 main stars were no where near as influential as they usually would be but will certainly bounce back from that.

Overall, i wasn't too dissapointed with our effort as a team. Adelaide played a very disciplined, hard brand of footy and i think we gave it a good contest. Dissapointed we lost, but all the signs are there and we lost because they were just a little too good and shut us down well.

Were a young side and will learn a lot from that. The crows will be a good finals side this year.. 3rd quater was a bit of a letdown but the crows were very good. The signs are there for the blues though, IMO.

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Glad we've sorted the Russell one out now, we also know that in what? his third game that Kreuzer isnt a ruckman...excellent



Kreuzer will not be a tap ruckman.Hampson will be a premier ruckman providing he stays injury free because he has such a good. vertical leap.


You can tell kreuzer will be a very good player. Has a huge tank, footy smarts and his courageous. But I reckon he wont be your traditional ruckman.


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keogh wrote:
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Glad we've sorted the Russell one out now, we also know that in what? his third game that Kreuzer isnt a ruckman...excellent



Kreuzer will not be a tap ruckman.Hampson will be a premier ruckman providing he stays injury free because he has such a good. vertical leap.


You can tell kreuzer will be a very good player. Has a huge tank, footy smarts and his courageous. But I reckon he wont be your traditional ruckman.


I agree. It's a shame we're having so many fitness problems with our rucks at the moment (even *gulp* Ackland) because I want to see more of Kreuz around the ground rather than having to bash into these dinosaurs.

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