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wasthesonofapreacherman
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Pros

We're definitely better than last year.
Browne is going to be fantastic.
Jamo (clangers? he was a glove yet again)
Bower
Others mentioned...

Cons

The amount of times we went inside 50 effectively. Fev a con? I don't recall it getting to him to advantage too many times. Sure he missed a couple, but they were outside 50! Which leads me to...

Russell - ummm are people serious? He's trying, but does that mean he automatically deserves to be in the 22? Four years in and he still has no idea with decision making. Yes he presented, but he missed sitters playing on the HFF - one hit the man on the mark! FOUR YEARS IN! He turned it over on the wing under NO pressure. He tried to barge through 5 players when a handpass out in front was needed. Armfield may not be a world beater but he has GENIUNE pace and his tackling is impeccable - would this not have a greater influence on the overall game than Russell? Tick toc, tick toc....

We need someone to get smashed, or a melee to break out to get our intensity to the required level. Our pressure in the centre was below par for most of the match - we do not give our defenders a chance. We play possession football, and no one presents?

Number 18 in green. Flower me, did he give us a free kick? I was ropeable...

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Bannister's injury meant Gibbs had to be moved down back. I don't think I saw Gibbs once in at a centre bounce.
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Pro: i thought our endevour was there and last year we would have been flogged badly they way it panned out today

CON: RAY FLOWERING CHAMBERLAIN

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You guys who think Russell was good are kidding yourseleves. He is useless. Time and time again he coughs it up under no pressure, misses targets, doesn't kick goals. That shot from 30m out today that he kicked into the man on the mark says it all.

Game over for Carlton and career over for Russell.

He can go into the illustrious group of high draft picks such as Livingston and Vance that have promised the world and delivered peanuts.

Has had more than enough chances to prove me wrong and has not ever.

Hopefully the coaching staff have now also lost patience and run out of chances.
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Pros:
- Good 1st qtr
- good debut by steve browne
- simpson was a little better
- hadley and t-bird would have made a difference
- betts continuing his good form

Cons:
- At least 5 times we let burton etc. run into an open goal.
- intensity problems...tackling and 1%ers simply weren't good enough.
- MAN UP! too many times players such as thompson or macleod were left on their own with nobody on them getting cheap touches.
- sideways footy doesnt work. too many times after marking we look badwards or sidewards before disposing of it. we need long kicks into the forward line. whenever the crows would get the ball out of the middle they'd bang it onto there foot and get a mark up forward. whenever we got it we handballed it to players under pressure.
- we were killed in the centre clearances.
- pfeiffer, fisher, grigg, hartlett, FEVOLA.
- Fevola is too inconsistent. he has a few big games (6-8 goals) which automatically cement his spot in the team. no fev no blues :(
-Fisher...he is probably one of the best marks in the team...BUT his kicking and disposal is terrible. his shots on goal is terrible (running into an open goal from 20metres out.
- outnumbered in just about every contest
- PLAY RYAN 'ACTION' JACKSON FFS.....


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People forget we played a decent team possible top 4 and took it up to them.




Adelaide a possible top 4 side you reckon.....what year? You must be joking!! Have to STRONGLY disagree with you on that mate
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pro's bower, jammo and browne..

thought simmo was very good, so was stevens..

gibbs is a great player -- will kill teams when he is PERMANENTLY moved in the middle..

we need a CHF -- hartlett's time is running out

russell had his best game for the club....been there four years and he is still improving... at 21y.o.... some mature later than others...good signs

bentick was good....

adelaide is a very good team and we can't cope with the pressure that will be applied to us by teams in the top 8....thus we are not a top 8 side, yet...

haven't got the mental toughness and buclkle under pressure with elementary skills when the heat is on...
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jimmyk71 wrote:
You guys who think Russell was good are kidding yourseleves. He is useless. Time and time again he coughs it up under no pressure, misses targets, doesn't kick goals. That shot from 30m out today that he kicked into the man on the mark says it all.

Game over for Carlton and career over for Russell.

He can go into the illustrious group of high draft picks such as Livingston and Vance that have promised the world and delivered peanuts.

Has had more than enough chances to prove me wrong and has not ever.

Hopefully the coaching staff have now also lost patience and run out of chances.


russell was in our best ten today

he was better than murphy and gibbs

deal with it

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macka wrote:
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People forget we played a decent team possible top 4 and took it up to them.




Adelaide a possible top 4 side you reckon.....what year? You must be joking!! Have to STRONGLY disagree with you on that mate


Definitely top 8 then. They are a strong side, well drilled, disciplined, well coached and fit.
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grrofunger wrote:
he was better than murphy and gibbs
deal with it
NO WAY...i think you're just remembering those 2 good bit of plays by him, and judging his whole performance on that
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grrofunger wrote:
he was better than murphy and gibbs
deal with it
NO WAY...i think you're just remembering those 2 good bit of plays by him, and judging his whole performance on that

WAY !

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Pros:- Russell

Cons :- Russell

I liked his work half the time. He will get better. Blokes near me blamed him for everything. Ignored him when he did something good.
At the end he was one of the only players for CFC still running.

THe word is Braddles has taken him under his wing. Look for further improvement.

We are a young side beaten by better team.
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shuffagus wrote:
Cons:
- At least 5 times we let burton etc. run into an open goal.
- intensity problems...tackling and 1%ers simply weren't good enough.
- MAN UP! too many times players such as thompson or macleod were left on their own with nobody on them getting cheap touches.
- sideways footy doesnt work. too many times after marking we look badwards or sidewards before disposing of it. we need long kicks into the forward line. whenever the crows would get the ball out of the middle they'd bang it onto there foot and get a mark up forward. whenever we got it we handballed it to players under pressure.
- we were killed in the centre clearances.
- we have too many ORDINARY players. players such as :
russell, bentick, browne, grigg, o'hailpin, bower(despite his good performance, he is an EXTREMELY poor disposal of the ball), hartlett, bannister etc could easily be dropped from the side, and dont cement there spot in the team.
- pfeiffer, russell, bentick, fisher, grigg, hartlett, FEVOLA.
- Fevola is too inconsistent. he has a few big games (6-8 goals) which automatically cement his spot in the team. no fev no blues :(
-Fisher...he is probably one of the best marks in the team...BUT his kicking and disposal is terrible. his shots on goal is terrible (running into an open goal from 20metres out.
- JR and bentick HAVE GOT TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :x :x :x :x russell had about 2 good memorable plays , and everyone is saying that he played good....NO
- PLAY RYAN 'ACTION' JACKSON FFS.....


1) JR did more good than bad today.

2) O'hAilpin and Bannister didn't even play.

3) So you've decided Browne is an "ORDINARY" player after 1 game?

4) Is that you DP...?

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jimmyk71 wrote:
You guys who think Russell was good are kidding yourseleves. He is useless. Time and time again he coughs it up under no pressure, misses targets, doesn't kick goals. That shot from 30m out today that he kicked into the man on the mark says it all.

Game over for Carlton and career over for Russell.

He can go into the illustrious group of high draft picks such as Livingston and Vance that have promised the world and delivered peanuts.

Has had more than enough chances to prove me wrong and has not ever.

Hopefully the coaching staff have now also lost patience and run out of chances.


Im inclined to agree. I have stayed out of the Russell criticism but after watching him live for the first time in 12 months there has been marginal improvement, not enough for him to stay. I would love to know what the recruiting staff saw in him to use number 9- thats not a joke I really would?. Jacko might not have pace but makes up for it with nouse and hardness and Armfiled is defo worth a go. I'd even try Blackwell.
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blackwell is small, slow and cant kick over 40m oh and he is also injured whats he gonna give over russell?

bagging russell is just the in vogue thing for blues fans atm and all the sheep follow

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Pro: We will learn from today
Russell- When he learns to kick he will be OK
Brown
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Cons: At this stage we haven't got the depth to cover Walker, Hadley, Bannister, Hartlett &Thornton against quality opposition such as Adelaide

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Don't agree at all. For a player of Russell's experience, you HAVE to kick those crucial goals at that angle and distance. You do not turn it over without pressure on the wing. He does not do enough to damage a team. If effort alone gets you buy, why was McCormick/Hulme delisted? If the bars at effort, tackling and presenting, Armfield should get a run. He does all that, and has genuine speed and far better tackling. His disposal is not amazing, but JR hardly shows him up in that department.

Our intensity was not there, I'm sorry. We got killed in the clearances because we were not ferocious. Where's the Carlton that played the Pies?

Walker and Hadley - intense, badly missing.

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blackwell is small, slow and cant kick over 40m oh and he is also injured whats he gonna give over russell?

bagging russell is just the in vogue thing for blues fans atm and all the sheep follow


I'm with you grro.

Dropping JR now would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

If we stick with him, he'll pay dividends.

Did a good solid job on McLeod.

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aboynamedsue wrote:
1) JR did more good than bad today.

2) O'hAilpin and Bannister didn't even play.

3) So you've decided Browne is an "ORDINARY" player after 1 game?

4) Is that you DP...?
i know bannister and o'hailpin didnt play...which is why they are ordinary and not in the team consistently (plus injuries). browne will definately be in and out of the team. JR has to be dropped...he's not good enough to be playing afl footy...admit it
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grrofunger wrote:
blackwell is small, slow and cant kick over 40m oh and he is also injured whats he gonna give over russell?

bagging russell is just the in vogue thing for blues fans atm and all the sheep follow


People on this site bag Russell...he plays an improved game....and they still bag him.....yep it's in vogue.

I agree he did need to improve and skill errors do let him down. Dont see too many people bagging Murphs game today....I think he would be a little disappointed himself with his shocking kicks today.

Do the people bagging JR know who he was on ????
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