Talking Carlton Index Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington CFC Home CFC Membership CFC Shop CFC Fixture Blueseum
It is currently Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:44 pm

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 87 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:54 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:01 pm
Posts: 34548
Location: The Brown Wedge
Oh but she has been speculating.

She speculated that Richmond would be in the clear over the 'Dutch Auction', and she speculated that Johnson shouldn't be punished for being pissed and getting arrested during the season.

She's finally got a reporter of similar filth that also feeds on the bottom. Hutchy is cornering her in the 'sell your sole for a story' stakes and she needs to justify her pay cheque each week.

_________________
end of message


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:54 pm 
Offline
Laurie Kerr
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:34 pm
Posts: 146
without fev, who is gonna stand up and kick our goals??? we need to develop key forwards with a linchpin in place

ffs we havent got a contingency if fev got injured - no fev unfortunately right now would mean no wins

give him a deal that is fair, all the crap about him owing us not us owing him is crap

i reckon 2 years is good for him and us, hopefully enough time for us to develop a succession plan (ie more games in hartlet/edwards new draftees)

_________________
In america, first you get zee shugar, the you get zee power, then you get ze wemen!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:18 pm 
Offline
Stephen Silvagni

Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:03 am
Posts: 25443
Location: Bondi Beach
Fev is a star of the game
Fev is a star player for carlton
Fev wants to be a one club player
Fev is sworn off the juice for the rest of his footy career

If Fev is true to his word, why wouldn't he sign a contract with caveats in place? If he doesn't drink for the rest of his footy career what sort of trouble could he get into...there's no risk for him, because he can control that, no one else.

Every club would want Fev in their team...at the right price.

Is Fev worth more than $250K pa? The real question needing an answer is whether he's worth more than $500K pa to other clubs.

Gold Coast in 2011....if Judd and Lynch have him on the books, I dare say they will encourage a 2 year deal.

I agree with Keogh and JohnM's opinions. I can't help believe that despite niggling injuries Fev will be around when he's 32; so 4 years left. Can we manage him well enough to be useful come finals in September?

Will he be at Carlton for 4 years, and more importantly will we need him in that time to contest a Flag? That's 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. We don't seem to anyone in our squad that matches, or comes near Fev in terms of goal kicking ability.

I think our window will be from 2010 onwards.

_________________
Everyone looks good in Navy Blue


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:20 pm 
Offline
Robert Walls

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am
Posts: 3136
Id be happy if the club offered a rolling 1 yr deal @ 400k with the following
- 100k bonus for sucessfullly completing the season (barring injury)
- 50k bonus for coleman medal
- 50k bonus for top 3 in B&F
- 25k penalty for each off/on field misdemeanour (petulance, sooking)
- 25k penalty for each match lost to suspension


If the contract is terminated early due to grog or other misdemeanor then Fev is loses the remaining portion of the season ie % of season remaining X(300k - any penalties)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:24 pm 
Offline
Herald Sun columnist
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:26 pm
Posts: 10018
Location: Visy Park
The Duke wrote:
Oh but she has been speculating.

She speculated that Richmond would be in the clear over the 'Dutch Auction', and she speculated that Johnson shouldn't be punished for being pissed and getting arrested during the season.

She's finally got a reporter of similar filth that also feeds on the bottom. Hutchy is cornering her in the 'sell your sole for a story' stakes and she needs to justify her pay cheque each week.


Which is why I don't like us speculating about Fev,

She is a muckracker of the highest order.

I'm sick of her and that fat arse wanker at the Oz, throwing crap at us.

Fev re-signing/trade deal will be story but it isn't right now.

_________________
“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:41 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:02 am
Posts: 1770
I hope Fev goes to Richmond next year and we get their number 1 draft pick.

Fev will not improve next year and is at his peak now. As our kids improve we won't miss him.

Time to make hard decisions and this will be one of them.

_________________
It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:45 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:01 pm
Posts: 34548
Location: The Brown Wedge
I honestly don't think that Swann, Pratt and Icke despite his recent form want him at the club. They'll move him on if the right deal comes along.

But, I hope you're all right, I put $5 on him winning the Brownlow @ $251 last week. He's now in to $51 8) . I reckon he's got 7-8 votes already.

Keep it up Fev, make me a happy man :wink: .

_________________
end of message


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:10 pm 
Offline
Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am
Posts: 4827
The fans love Fev especially the kids........you sit with the other supporters and they all go crazy when Fev gets the footy and does his stuff..
I would hate to see Fev in another jumper and I'd be looking after him with a decent contract......

Ok he is a goose but there is something very special about Fev bit like there was with Brent Crosswell.......I hated seeing Crosswell play for Nth and it would take some of the enjoyment out of the game for me if Fev wasnt wearing the No 25 for Carlton.

_________________
"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
training partner."
- Conor Gillen


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:14 pm 
Offline
Serge Silvagni
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 15, 2006 3:41 pm
Posts: 952
Location: way, way, way out the Outback
The Duke wrote:
I honestly don't think that Swann, Pratt and Icke despite his recent form want him at the club. They'll move him on if the right deal comes along.

But, I hope you're all right, I put $5 on him winning the Brownlow @ $251 last week. He's now in to $51 8) . I reckon he's got 7-8 votes already.

Keep it up Fev, make me a happy man :wink: .



When was the last time a Full Forward position player won the brownlow ?


Do you think Fev would have it in the back of his mind that if he does take a better offer from another club that his chances of ever winning a flag would be shot !!!!!!

I believe he will stay at Carlton without to much fuss.

_________________
BRING BACK PERFORMANCE BASE PAYMENTS !!!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:22 pm 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Sat May 14, 2005 2:15 pm
Posts: 21589
Location: North of the border
Currently the way things are at Carlton If Fev plays well we are a chance of winning - If he doesn't we almost certainly lose .

Therefore the only logical thing to do is trade him as he is to tempremental to have the whole entire side fortunes left on his Shoulders .

Get what you can for him and develop a team


The club has been suckered in to signing contracts on the basis of the few weeks of good performances before - Please don't do it again

_________________
If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:25 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:02 am
Posts: 1770
Elwood Blues1 wrote:
The fans love Fev especially the kids........you sit with the other supporters and they all go crazy when Fev gets the footy and does his stuff..
I would hate to see Fev in another jumper and I'd be looking after him with a decent contract......

Ok he is a goose but there is something very special about Fev bit like there was with Brent Crosswell.......I hated seeing Crosswell play for Nth and it would take some of the enjoyment out of the game for me if Fev wasnt wearing the No 25 for Carlton.


A lot of female supporters including mums that I know don't like him and think he is a bad role model for their kids.

_________________
It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:35 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:01 pm
Posts: 34548
Location: The Brown Wedge
Outback Blue wrote:
The Duke wrote:
I honestly don't think that Swann, Pratt and Icke despite his recent form want him at the club. They'll move him on if the right deal comes along.

But, I hope you're all right, I put $5 on him winning the Brownlow @ $251 last week. He's now in to $51 8) . I reckon he's got 7-8 votes already.

Keep it up Fev, make me a happy man :wink: .



When was the last time a Full Forward position player won the brownlow ?


Do you think Fev would have it in the back of his mind that if he does take a better offer from another club that his chances of ever winning a flag would be shot !!!!!!

I believe he will stay at Carlton without to much fuss.


Not many FF chase tackle and assist like Fev. If he can keep it up, he's a big chance. Mind you, I hardly put the farm on it.

Fev is a complex individual. Nobody knows what goes through his head, but I reckon he'd rather play with Judd and Murph and Kreuzer than risk spending the rest of his career at Melbourne.

If a 2 year deal is that important to him afetr the way he's carried on, then let's take what we can get, cause he ain't the man for us. If he'll accept a 1 year deal, we'll show faith in him and extend it by another 2 after 2009.

That's a fair and reasonable outcome for Fev and the CFC.

_________________
end of message


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:46 pm 
Offline
Rod Ashman

Joined: Mon May 14, 2007 12:06 pm
Posts: 2098
I am not a fan of Fevola.

I still find it disgraceful that he goes off the drink a couple of years ago plays brilliantly in kicking 80 goals in a crap side, the starts drinking again.
It is an insult to the club and his teammates.
Both times he has done well it has been after severe warnings.
For the past couple of weeks he has been fantastic, not just goals but defensively as well.

I agree with some others, the club owes him nothing. For me it is simple, he gets a one year deal with an option of another one on high incentives.

If he plays well and behaves he will be duly rewarded!!!

To give him a 3-4 year deal with his history is crazy. The days of those deals are gone. With Swann at the helm he will not allow it.

As always it should be in his hands.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:48 pm 
Offline
Wayne Johnston

Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm
Posts: 8217
The Duke wrote:
JohnM wrote:
Caro is losing what cred she had.

But from the club's perspective, it couldn't be simpler:

Give Fev a 3 year deal on good money (that's what he'd get from any other club) but put in a caveat that if he's involved in an alcohol-related incident, he has to agree to the club trading him at the end of that season.

He gets his 3 year deal. He gets to stay at Carlton if he behaves. We get compensated if he screws up and we have to cut him.

Brilliant. I'll just get Swanny on the phone now 8)

With respect john, that is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. What currency would Fev have if he f___d up again?

$0.

We would end up subsidizing his contract for the rest of life and get SFA for him.

Either trade him this year and get rewards for the hard work we've put in, or give him a 1 year deal. He doesn't deserve anything, so he should be happy to accept what he's offered. The idea of a 3 year deal sends me cold.
If there's alcohol related clause in his contract the Carlton don't have to subsidise him. The contracts torn up. You can't work that out? That's the deal with his current contract now as it should be with future ones. Give him whatever he is on now or slightly more for 2 years and the flower up clause in it. We don't have that much going around at the moment that we can really afford to lose him. John is right.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:56 pm 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am
Posts: 10613
I have faith in the "Pratt Pack" and will be happy in their decision. :idea:

Having said that, personally, I would sign him up for 2-3 years on a reasonable salary, ie. 400-500K, with some "crucial" clauses attached.
Stuff up Fev and you get next to base and traded. Keep in line and you get bonuses. Simple I know but the ball is in Fev's hands now.

I also think this will show how dedicated Fevola is to the Carlton Football Club.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:05 pm 
Offline
Rod Ashman

Joined: Mon May 14, 2007 12:06 pm
Posts: 2098
I just get the feeling that Swann may let this run out for a while and sees what happens. If there is some real interest he may look at a trade for the right price.

Swann is s smart operator he will do what is right for the club first!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:12 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby

Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:29 pm
Posts: 5913
Location: Melbourne
You got it jim.

The idea is to replicate the current situation (in which Fev is seriously delivering) over a 2 to 3 year period.

If Fev needs an axe hanging over his head to perform, then let's structure a contract that has one.

Big incentives for performing to the best of his ability. Big consequences for screwing up.

It might just be me, but I reckon I've heard plenty of ideas dumber than that. But I do work in an advertising agency...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:24 pm 
Offline
Mike Fitzpatrick
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:00 pm
Posts: 4055
Location: Recovering from the 1st effort
I cant believe most of the cr@p in this thread. Fev is an absolute gilt edge superstar of the competition. One of the two that we have at the moment. He has been the only one we've had up until this year. The kids love him and, contrary to most of the opinion in this thread, there would be sides crawling over each other to have him in their forward line.

Why on earth's sake would we want to trade him away and leave a forward line of Santy, Edwards, Fish and Hartlett. You must all have rocks in your head. He can p!ss on every building in Melbourne for all I care as long as he slots 6 or 7 on the weekend.

My membership this year was justified 2 weeks ago watching him turn the new Filthingwood uberkind, Nathan Brown inside out and slot the ball from the boundary. He is worth the admission to go and see. It's not like he is the only footballer to ever get on the sauce and take things a bit too far.

Onviously right now a bit of poker is going on. Swann and co have to make it look like we're not interested in keeping him to keep his price down and Fev has to make it look like he is going elsewhere to make the blues show their hand. He wants to stay, the majority of Carlton supporters want him to stay, lets get the deals done.

How many of the anti fevola crowd wouldnt want Buddy Franklin if he sh@t on a cafe table after downing a 6 pack at 1 am on king st.

_________________
"Who discovered we could get milk from cows, and what did he think he was doing at the time?" Billy Connolly


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:27 pm 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am
Posts: 10613
2ndeffort wrote:
How many of the anti fevola crowd wouldnt want Buddy Franklin if he sh@t on a cafe table after downing a 6 pack at 1 am on king st.


Oh there is a line here but I won't use it because it will get deleted, again. :roll:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:47 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:02 am
Posts: 1770
We should trade Fev for an early pick and then we can get Hurley. This would be a direct swap for a player who has 3 years of football left in him with a player who has 13 years.

People who say sign him up now think about the future not the present. Would we have won games without Fev this year, the answer is simple....NO!

In the future we need to win games without him because that is when we will be grand final contenders.

_________________
It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 87 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Fabulous, Google [Bot], Mickstar and 34 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group