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Long way to go for him yet.

Very important that we develop another tall option to assist him much in the same way Bradshaw does for Brown.

I liked the way we lined up with Setanta deep up forward but for me he isn't the right option. With Hampson back he, Cloke and Kruezer could rotate through there. Hartlett is the other option.


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Since we're doing the "I told you so shit" about nothing other than off-field misdemeanors, how about we start one more relevant.

Any Bannister knockers out there??? HELLO? Can't hear you?

4th good game in a row - he's not part of our future, nah.

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yep Banno has done very well this year.

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I love Fev....after he kicked that goal from the pocket against Adelaide to win the game a couple of years back I promised never to bag him again.

Once or twice I have shaken my head at his antics but he is a star! We need him to stay off the pish and he will bring home the bacon.

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He was fantastic to watch once again..

I think he really doesn't want to play for anothor club and is desperately trying to convince the Blues/Pratt to keep him at years end, even though he has used his 9 lives.......

Watching Fev is like watching someone fighting for his life....You get 100%

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Fev the only match winner? - who is that bloke in number 5 I wonder? - I'd wager that in a couple of years murphy, gibbs and kreuzer would also be deemed matchwinners.

So Fev kicked 7 goals - great/fantastic - however that should not be the only measure of his performance in the team. We all know that Fev can kick a bag of goals. I'd judge Fev on his second efforts - the chases, tackles.

In that respect Fev had a 'good' game - for myself, Fevs efforts that lead to Grigg's goal was his best piece of play in the game. If he can maintain that sort of effort every game then I'd be more than happy to have him in the team.

Having said that though there was also an incident where Fev turned his back to complain to the umps whilst the play was still going on behind him (the 50 setanta gave away whilst fighting against 2 collingwood players) - the ball was still live and rolled free behind him yet Fev had his back turned to the play. Its these sorts of 'efforts' that discredits the many positive aspects of Fevs gameplay and consequently continue to make him 'tradable'


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wasthesonofapreacherman wrote:
P.S.

Since we're doing the "I told you so shit" about nothing other than off-field misdemeanors, how about we start one more relevant.

Any Bannister knockers out there??? HELLO? Can't hear you?

4th good game in a row - he's not part of our future, nah.



I still have my reservations.
A couple of times he went the wrong option

One thing i would be saying to him is just kick it long if he is unsure about the short pass.

Give him credit He played well


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So Fev kicked 7 goals - great/fantastic - however that should not be the only measure of his performance in the team. We all know that Fev can kick a bag of goals. I'd judge Fev on his second efforts - the chases, tackles.

In that respect Fev had a 'good' game - for myself, Fevs efforts that lead to Grigg's goal was his best piece of play in the game. If he can maintain that sort of effort every game then I'd be more than happy to have him in the team.


Both on MMM and on Ch7 they said that Ratts would've been more satisfied with Fev's assist in the Grigg goal than any of the other goals he kicked himself.

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Carey played a team game (in more ways than one) he created opportunities for other players - Fev tends to be all or nothing - again, and I know you want to love him, but I prefer a balanced side to a one avenue side

can we become balanced with Fev is the question. I think so far we have not got this right. If we do, I'll be as happy as anyone, because I too, love seeing Fev is full flight (read the ghost articles every week, who do I always mention Fev...gee funny that) but I want to see us win more games than we lose, I want to see us beat the best sides, I worry we will not do that if we have a forward line of

FEV

the rest

Funny how Hawthorn came out and said they are not just a Buddy team - gee maybe they are worried about balance too - funny that. But then I guess they got holes in their ideas too... :roll:


I disagree Danny, although I see your point. We do need to look at more options, which we did on the weekend. But what Fev does is give us focal point. I see so many goals where Fev makes a contest, the opposition defence is so occupied with him, and we get a goal when the ball hits the deck. He is a once in a generation genuine goal kicking champion for us which simply do not come along often enough to let him go.


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The one thing about Fev is that he scares the absolute shit out of every defence in the league bar Geelong/Scarlett.

If he's not there, the match-ups get a lot tougher because he simply must be respected at all times by the opposition. If he gets an effective foil.... well look at what is happening with Brown/Bradshaw and Franklin/Roughead. The game is set up these days for tall marking forwards.

So Fev please keep your head straight.


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The one thing about Fev is that he scares the absolute shit out of every defence in the league bar Geelong/Scarlett.

If he's not there, the match-ups get a lot tougher because he simply must be respected at all times by the opposition. If he gets an effective foil.... well look at what is happening with Brown/Bradshaw and Franklin/Roughead. The game is set up these days for tall marking forwards.

So Fev please keep your head straight.


Very true. He intimidates. He makes defenders doubt themselves and lose confidence, and we don't have many of those kind of guys just yet (other than #5 of course)

And I think his little accident a few weeks back will actually be the best thing that ever happened to Fev. Watch him evolve over the next 5 years into possiby Carltons greatest ever Full Forward. We havent had a lot of them over the years but we do have one now


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Any Carlton fan that attends matches would know how exciting it is when a midfielder is streaming through the centre and delivers a pass to a leading Fevola to take the mark. It is one of the great thrills in football. We cannot lose the bloke because of him pissing on a restaurant window.


If he does it again we will lose him and fair enough. The club is always bigger than the individual. Being footballer these days is more than just kicking the footy around. He is a gun footballer.


thats the whole fricken problem footballers arent footballers anymore they are cross between athletes and businessmen..

theclubs, media, the members,the sponsors,the people all expect more from these footballers then just playing football..


yeah they have to have skills outside of footy but let them cocentrate on footy rather then elsewhere...

dont get me wrong either but i dont agree on what fev has done outside the club. but hey some of the responsibilty is on the club,thepeople,sponsors, members and media for placing expectations on the footballers themselves...

when does the fevs,judds etc get a breather away from footy just let there hair down away from all of us...

i am not saying we condone stupid actions etc from any player

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fev is an enigma, a flawed genius, a Shakespearian tragic hero.

he will never be the machine that judd is, but judd may never be the talismanic figure that fev is.

now that weve got the weaponry im sure hes relishing the challenge of taking us to the promised land. he now has the incentive he hasnt had in the past, team glory. i am no psychologist but the fact that we're slowly turning the corner, coupled with his narrow escape could be just the tonic for him. im sure he can smell the big stage that his personality thrives on and craves


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imagine going into a big final.. or even a grand final, with Fevola...............................

OMG that is so flowering exciting. He is the kind of player that will win a grand final. He's definetly a big stage player. He could do anything in that sort of atmosphere.


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Long way to go for him yet.

Very important that we develop another tall option to assist him much in the same way Bradshaw does for Brown.

I liked the way we lined up with Setanta deep up forward but for me he isn't the right option. With Hampson back he, Cloke and Kruezer could rotate through there. Hartlett is the other option.


EDWARDS.. next year or maybe one after.. could be a gun


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that's a load of shit. the best sportsmen are complete flower off field (warne, carey, hiscox, rooney, miller (keith not brad)) etc. if swan or anyother dropkick moves him on, we will win just one flag in the few years instead of the possible four that we are entitled to. Remember the words of sticks "we're carlton and @#$%&! the rest of them" go you blue boys and we can piss where ever and whenever we want (i do). I bet riewoldt always hangs on till his bladder is bursting and how many flags had that weak cauliflower won?
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I still have reservations and its actually got nothing to do with his off field - its to do in fact with how good he is. He demands the ball, he demands the space, he demands to be The Option - to me that's shithouse, even though that's what makes him great.

This is a team sport - I want him to create goals for the team (take Grigg's, no please take Grigg's) but an argument that says he's kicked 7 or he's kicked 8 means jack shit to me. Yes he kicked 8 and we lost, yes he kicked 7 and we won - so its not just about goals. Its about the team, the whole team and nothing but the team. If Fev can become a part of the whole team , instead of team Fev (and I do not think he means to be this, its just the power of the guy) then Ratts & co will have done somehting the rest have failed to do.

If on the other hand Fev is always going to demand that space/ball etc - then I would prefer to trade him and create a forward line of moving parts - otherwise against the good teams we will struggle, becuase a good team will often hold the great player - but to hold a whole forward line is much harder.


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there is no doubt about it Bozo likes playing under the big top

Nearly lost it in the third but I think Stevens told him to pull his head in - was argueing with the ump while I think Ohalpin was still fighting for the ball two metres away - cost him a 50

His good is out standing and his display over the last two weeks simply proves that he is an outstanding talent

Problem is he is a goose and the chances are next week he will have a dummy spit and be walking around sulking . He is like a kid that takes his bat and ball and goes home .

I can watch the Fev we saw on the weekend any day and any time

Lets hope he keeps it up - He may need a mentor to bring him under control when he goes off the rails - don't know who could do that in this team



This is clearly the disadvantage of watching the game on TV. Cometti stated that Fev stopped while the ball was in play. This is NOT true. Fev was penalised for in the back. The umpire called the play to stop, the other players didn't hear it. Fev heard it and argued and was penalised.
Don't always believe tv commentators they thrive on generalisations and love to exaggerate both the good and the bad.
Fev has his faults but he also deserves a fair go.

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Having said that though there was also an incident where Fev turned his back to complain to the umps whilst the play was still going on behind him (the 50 setanta gave away whilst fighting against 2 collingwood players) - the ball was still live and rolled free behind him yet Fev had his back turned to the play. Its these sorts of 'efforts' that discredits the many positive aspects of Fevs gameplay and consequently continue to make him 'tradable'


Fev was actually turning to the umpire to dispute the umpire BLOWING HIS WHISTLE. You could hear it very clearly on BOTH replays... the umpire blew his whistle, and THEN fev stopped. The other players didnt hear it, neither did the d**kh**d commentator one channel 7 who argued the same line you are.

Enough please. They poor guy cops enough when he makes a mistake, don't attack him when he has done nothing wrong.

** EDIT: Should have read all the way to the bottom of the page before posting as it appears my thunder has been ...ummm.... stolen :oops:


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I still have reservations and its actually got nothing to do with his off field - its to do in fact with how good he is. He demands the ball, he demands the space, he demands to be The Option - to me that's shithouse, even though that's what makes him great.

This is a team sport - I want him to create goals for the team (take Grigg's, no please take Grigg's) but an argument that says he's kicked 7 or he's kicked 8 means jack shit to me. Yes he kicked 8 and we lost, yes he kicked 7 and we won - so its not just about goals. Its about the team, the whole team and nothing but the team. If Fev can become a part of the whole team , instead of team Fev (and I do not think he means to be this, its just the power of the guy) then Ratts & co will have done somehting the rest have failed to do.

If on the other hand Fev is always going to demand that space/ball etc - then I would prefer to trade him and create a forward line of moving parts - otherwise against the good teams we will struggle, becuase a good team will often hold the great player - but to hold a whole forward line is much harder.


That is a ridiculus thing to say. You are using irrelevant arguements that no one will refute to support your stance.

Yes all teams need a multi-target forward line BUT:

- They also need a focal point. We don't have much else... have you noticed?

- Of course good teams will find it easy to cover one man... but did it ever occur to you that while Geelong and Hawthorn are dropping an extra man to cover Fev we suddenly have a free player in our forward line? A team with a good defense will love playing teams without a player in need of double teaming, because the can back their defenders to play one on one, rather then sacrifice someone to get back onto the Franklins/Browns/Fevolas of the competition.

- Every forward demands the ball. Did you expect Fev to say "nah Stevo kick it to lance I'm going to struggle here"? You are supposed to back your midfielders to make the correct decision. The combination of having no other target and a coach that wasn't willing to push his players to look for alternatives was the reason we would kick to Fev vs 2 or 3, not because he was being selfish and demanding the ball.

- Fevola is probably the hardest working forward in the competition. Yes he has fade outs and looses interest... but how often? honestly? You only notice them because between 2002-2007 he was basically our only chance of winning a game, so if he wasn't in the right mood, you knew about it.

- Our reliance on Fev is due to a lack of options... how can you blame a guy for presenting well and being the only shining light in an appalling forward line for much of the last decade??

Its easy to have a crack, but the guy you are having a go at bleeds for this club and every Carlton supporter owes him a hell of a lot more then to have a dig at him.

I respect your view that he is not a required player, I just don't agree with your flawed arguments. Most of what you say comes back to the team, rather then Fevola.


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