Yeah, but we haven't even offered up Barbie's hair brush let alone sold the kitchen sick.

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Because they are stupid?

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I can never get my head around that response. The offer has not been made yet, it is an early season hypothetical so you don't have to be so wishy-washy.

For my part it's simple - we should see what his season has been like and then decide whether it is worth more to us to keep him or to trade him.

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Fev is a good FF but our mid's loo for him too much and plays as selfishly as Hoops.

We dont need selfish we need selfless

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Cannot agree. Fev is a good quality FF. The only player of bulk we have in the fwd line or team for that matter and he takes a couple of defenders all the time therefore would usually provide opportunities for other fwd's, although we haven't been able to work this one out yet as our fwd setup is still primitive, predictable and unimaginative

What we require more than anything is key defenders and we have many houlihans and scotlands in the team that we could use as trade bait to at least aquire one established defender...at least.

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well we've given away our CHF so why not our full forward as well. have an axe to grind duke? yes that's the answer. get rid of our best avenue to goal, get ourselves a defender. at least we'll keep the opposition under 100. we'll kick 50 points but thats ok.... we've got a great new defender. we'll grab ourselves a tall forward in the draft to replace the one we've got. hopefully he'll work out. 3 or 4 years to develop. another 5 years of absolute shit. think of all the number 1s we'll have running around for us.

we might even be lucky enough to get the next Adam Patterson. we might get the next Buddy. who knows. the grass isn't always greener.....

the only reason they are so fev centric is because there are no other players that demand the ball and can be relied upon. the answer is not to get rid of him. the answer is clearly to find more support for him. a forwardline only becomes unpredictable when you have a number of quality options

Okay, let's keep Fevola then, fair enough but there is no need for these outraged reactions. I thought it was painfully obvious by now from what is happening in and outside of the club that it won't be good enough or even possible to walk into a premiership, let alone crawl or limp there.

Something has to budge. Your summations might be right but I'm certainly sick of the attitude that we have had for centuries that will probably leave us all to die wondering.

It is only natural for these types of threads to start up because we have been like a lame duck for too flipping long now. I don't think playing things on our terms has exactly been too successful up to this point.

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It's only been a few weeks since Fev's last disgraceful incident where he showed little/no respect for his team-mates, captain, club, supporters and sponsors.

He's got a long way to go before he's even close to having any respect back in my eyes. I reckon the coach, CEO and Pres have the same opinion.

A team cannot be built around 1 man, yet 1 man can easily pull it apart. 1 good game and you're all drooling again.

You all obviously have no faith in the rest of the team if you think that we can't possibly win a game without him.

Sad, very sad.

Wouldn't you love to trade Fev for Brown? Imagine that - Fev and our first rounder for Johnno Brown - Wow!!

We need to look at all options to get the best people playing for the club.

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Care to explain who will kick goals without any forwards?

I generally like the idea...but i like the idea of a power forward kicking 60-80 goals per year more.

If we offload Fev it would mean we will require a replacement.

When Hawthorn flicked Nathan Thompson their supporters were probably asking the same question. I don't think they have any issues in that department at the moment. Do you?

Same with Tarrant

When they flicked Nathan Thompson they just recruited Roughead and had Franklin on the list.

Who do you propose we play in the forward line if Fev goes?

Hartlett?
Kreuzer?
Cloke?

Who????

How many flags did we win WITHOUT a recognized FF?

Kreuzer can kick goals, so can Murphy, Stevens, Gibbs, Simmo, Hampson, Betts, OhAilpin, Hadley, Pfieffer, Fisher, Waite. Then there's a bloke called Judd - Fev ain't the only option.

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Just like Hawthorn we will have to recruit him.

yes we won flags without a recognised Full Forward.............. how many did we win minus a gun Centre Half Forward as well? i know where you're coming from duke. i guess my point is whilst you might give away you're gun and pick up another one that is even better (Hawthorn, St Kilda) or you may give up the world load up on picks and end up with Cleve Hughes and Adam Pattison. If that happened we'd be completely screwed. do you sell your BHP stock for a lottery ticket? your stock may go up and down a bit but at the end of the day you know what you hold. Your lottery ticket may come up and you're on easy street, but then again you might get sweet FA and your an even bigger laughing stock than you already are.

** by the way i know bugger all about the stock market so there is probably a better analogy than BHP stock, but you catch my drift

Carlton has had less reliance on specialist Full Forwards than any other successfull team in the last 110 years. Collingwood and Essendon* have had some brilliant FF who have helped them win flags, we have been a bit different. Might be why we have won more grand finals than any other team. In a grand final it is always that little bit easier to subdue the star full forward than it is to subdue good flankers and a CHF.

Full forwards are still important though, if you have a decent one.

Harry Vallence kicked 81 goals in his final season to snag a premiership for Carlton in 1938 after a drought of 23 years.

Jezza kicked 115 in 1970 (albeit not all from fullforward for the entire year).

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We have had some useful Centre Half Forwards in the Premierships I can remember:

1968 - a young Robert Walls - but Brian Kekovich kicked 4 goals (out of 7) that year.

1970 - Robert Walls

1972 - Robert Walls - arguably a retrospective Norm Smith Medallist that day (kicked 6 goals).

1979 - Mark Maclure

1981 - Mark Maclure

1982 - Mark Maclure

1987 - Stephen Kernahan

1995 - Stepen Kernahan/Earl Spalding


All very useful players and our teams had no trouble directing play through that CHF area.

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Absolutely, which is why as an unabashed Fev Fan, I would have no problem whatsoever if Fev was involved in a deal with John Brown from Brisbane.

CHF's poo all over FF's.

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