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Would posters please stop referring to others who have different opinions to themselves as trolls?

lol@Paf, in this thread, BlueIce is the least of those things MrsWhip won't let us mention.

Hughes' record is mediocre at best
the club needed everythign to go right after the salary cap penalties- we couldnt have any wasted picks, particularly first and second rounders.

Hughes was too speculative and relied more on development then ready made footballers- he picked players with good frames and size but very little football nous (besides obviously the no brainers in the no1's)

Im sure hes a good talent spotter, but he is the wrong man at the wrong time to lead our recruiting department.

Hey Gilly, did you enjoy Kruez's game?

LOL, of course I did Mrs C. Was a fantastic debut and he showed us all of the talents we witnessed in the TAC. Don't forget despite all my Cotchin love I still had Kreuz at #1 in the end. The other one will be good too though

Yeah, probably.

Guys Kruezer, Murphy and Gibbs aren't the picks that make recruiters. It's the others that you keep an eye out on. Hughes is certaintly under the pump but IMHO the jury is still out.

Couldn't agree more, Hughes managed to take Benjamin rather than Josh Hill from the Bulldogs.

Its time to poach a recruiter from Geelong, Hawthorn or Bulldogs.

Eade admitted on Saturday that if Hill only had a one year contract he would have been delisted after last year.

Well you obviously got the sarcasm...

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The club needs to revisit the policy that nabbed us Swan and Icke. As much as I hate to even think it, compare Hughes' record to that of Pelchin. I haven't 'done the math' (seems to be the in vogue footy saying at the moment) but I have a gut feeling we'd be coming 2nd best.
As Dick Pratt is famous for saying, you need the best guy for the job, not just the best guy available.

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Pelchen got lucky and made his name when the Roos were willing to trade just for the sake of trading. Since then all he's managed to do is piss people off by negotiating through the media.

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and 14 other clubs passed on Hill a number of times, including Richmond who took Carl Peterson. Hill didn't even make the WA state squad, he would have been as speculative as any, while some credit goes to Clayton he got lucky with that one

Yep I hate the sound of the guy's name, scurrilous creep but on the balance i reckon he's done a better job with his picks than we've done with ours. I also reckon they've done a better job at identifying who's expendable going forward and cutting them loose for draft picks (which they've mostly used well). They've had their high picks like Hodge, Franklin Roughead etc and they've had their smokies like Mitchell etc but I reckon their list looks better than ours and they've been rebuilding.

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Oops

I don't think Pelchin is the answer at all, he has burned too many bridges at too many clubs. No one will trade with Hawthorn now and can you blame them? They were totally unethical in regards to the Hay trade, tried to get Thornton for nothing and then tried again last year via the media. Then when they couldn't secure him, they bag him as a player as say it was all us!!!! Let Hawthorn deal with all the bad will he has developed over the years, not Carlton.

100%. Pelchen doesn't have a lot of currency at trade time after his shenanigans. Clubs won't have a bar of him.

Hawks are 2 -3 years advanced of us in terms of rebuilding and as you pointed out were on the side of some good list management and some luck with the Kangaroos recycling policy. They also seemed to have a better core of selfless experienced footballers who were prepared to do the team thing and provided a good development environment for the recruits. Roughead and Franklin are central to their rebuilding and I think I heard that Clarkson demanded two talls in that draft.....interesting they went with Roughead first though and Buddy only fell to them via Richmond's incompetence .

This year you would really have to say that they would be licking their chops when Rioli fell to them as not only was he one of the most naturally talented footballers after the top 3 or 4, but he really suited a need too.

Having said that, I think Wright and Buckenara have drafted on the whole very well, although they do have their misses like any recruiter (Dowler, Little come to mind).

Good post. However, I don't know if being too speculative is exactly the problem as you need a bit of that to find the Pendleburys and (perhaps) Hampsons and Tippets. Perhaps there is a bit of that and the fact that he is trying too hard to do right by the club to its own detriment. Too much spot-filling and not enough picking of players with a lot of strength to their games. That's just the way I see it.

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