Siegfried wrote



Well done Siegfried. There's other times he's kicked 3, 4 and 5 without playing forward for more than a half...it's in the records...go have a look for yourself.

It's about time everyone took note: Waite atm is the standout player in the Carlton team. Moreso than Judd, Stevens, Fevola, Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer...you name 'em. He's better than Pavlich atm!

I'm so grateful we have him. We all should be.
Time for the doubters to cast their perceptions of him:

We get a CHB or a CHF from him.
A HB or a HF if we want.
We can have him as a midfielder or a wingman.
He's our Pavlich

Only he bleeds Navy Blue.

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The Saints have Reiwoldt, Kosi and G Train, Hawks have Roughhead, Franklin and Boyle and are considered dangerous because its hard to cover 3 tall decent forwards.

We could have this if we play Waite forward.

Fev, Fisher and Waite is a dangerous fwd line. Let the opposition coaches worry about us. Do you reckon any coach is worried by having to face Waite at CHB. Bullshit, they'd be happy he's there. If he's forward they have to find a tall mobile backman to man him up instead of using that bloke to double team Fev.

Setanta, Jamo and TBird are our key backs. Face it Tbird is a tall back not a rebounding defender. Stick with these guys down back - they are good enough and will only get better.

Waite is not going to kick goals every week but he'll certainly help the team kick them by at least getting a defender to respect him. Edwards will be a player in time, but at the moment he is not damaging enough or getting to enough contests (not all his fault). I still see a place for him even with Waite fwd.

QFT.

At the end of the day, we need to be able to kick a winning score. We need Waite up forward to do that.

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I dunno,

I finally managed to watch all of the game last night. I'm still of the belief Waite is a better CHB than CHF... he seems to switch on a bit better.

I'll make a concession though. The forward line structure is rooted because our current FF thinks he is bigger than the team. Drop the current FF and I'd be more than happy to see Waite back in attack as the go-to man.

I'd keep Waite @ CHB if we either put Cloke or Setanta, my preference is Cloke at CHF.

My forward line this week:
Houlihan Cloke Fisher
Kruezer(sorry Edwards) Fevola Betts

Then either Setanta replaces Cloke when he rucks or Hampson rests in pocket and Kruezer moves to CHF. Either way we need more height forward of the centre to take pressure of Fev/Fish and make the opposition think about our forward structure a bit more.

Short Term v Long Term...
short term I would definitely keep Waite at CHB. Great for his learning and that of the backline and we have time. Not going to win the flag this year whatever happens.
Kouta played his best football after spending a season or so at CHB. Same with Chris Grant and several others.
In the short term, we need a bit of experience down there to help instill confidence in the others as they develop a little more.
Long term, Waite could be anything, including on the ball, forward or back.
In the forward line, there are several options, incl leaving as is until we learn to structure up better & deliver in better (including not spending 3/4 of the match fiddling around the boundary line!).
If we want to step out a bit more we could play Fev at CHF - it may be easier to fill the FF spot and Fev can kick 3-4 goals from CHF anyway.
Either way, I think we need to keep Waite at CHB for the moment & improve our forward line through structural/strategic means rather than just plonking Waite there as a fix all which will help us beat mediocre teams but never to beat the best.

get game time into austin....move waite chf

COMPLETELY AGREE.

We need to start playing the kids in their position.

Austin needs game time and Santa should move back.

Santa played all of his best footy in the backline.

Austin is destined to be our next CHB.

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We need to be careful abuot not having too many talls in the forward line, a mistake Pagan made for most of last season.

IMHO, Fevola, Kreuzer, Cloke and Fisher all forward makes it too easy for a backline to run the ball out. As quick as Kreuzer might be, he won't have the nimbleness of a smaller, quick defender.

For me, Fevola, Waite / Cloke / Kreuzer, and Fisher...then 3 smalls...Betts, Houlihan and Murph / Gibbs / Stevens etc rotating.

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Molly



It's arguable whether he's a better chb than chf, IMO he's our best at both.

I understand and agree (for the first time) that Fev's body language is not good...when he's waiting for the free that he aint going to get..But I don't see that Fev thinks he's bigger than the team. It's how you see it.

Did you notice how open that forwardline was for him to work in?
Did you also notice that Fev was triple teamed?
What did Ratts do to alleviate the mismatch, let alone give us a scoring option.

I don't think Fev cares who kicks the goals as long as the Blues win. Imagine him standing there wondering how we're expecting to win the game without any fellow forwards to contribute to the scoreboard.

I'm pissed off with our forwardline structure too. Fev doesn't coach or plan such a non existent structure. Rather than get rid of Fev, we should be working out how we can take advantage of him.

That's why many are interested in robbing Peter (Waite at CHB) to pay Paul (Waite as a CHF). We need to win on the scoreboard, because it doesn't matter how many goals Waite stops, he's the only one who can stand up and deliver the help our scoreboard needs to give us a chance to WIN!

BTW 17th premiership, I agree with your argument too. I just choose Waite at CHF to give us a chance to win.

Same reason why Mooney (Geel) is CHF not CHB.
Same reason why Brown (Bris) is CHF not CHB

At the very least, Ratts should show some flexibility with Waite instaed of pigeon holing him, like he did against the Hawks in the NAB. We were much more potent forward and more competitive when Waite went forward.

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Agree, our best CHB and CHF.

For this team to go anywhere, he must play forward. MUST PLAY FORWARD. As Ziggy said, we have more options at CHB and CHF a more important possie, so we are in the "no brainer" zone on this one. Santy should make CHB his own - if he fails why not Aisake? Would love Ants to play him @ CHB to see what he's got, at least. Tex, T-Bird, Bower are all viable options depending on match ups.

54 entries last week shows that, even with Judd/Stevo/Hadley 50% or so fit, we are going to get more of it up there so we must have the class down there to capitalise. Fev, Waite, Fisher, Eddie, Houla, Jake etc would give nay AFL backline headaches if it gets down there often enough.

With Waite up there, defenders dare not peel off and run to Fev for the predictable "6 against 1" Fev tag team. Just do it and start this week against Bombers - no Lucas and Waite a luxury we can't afford back there!

I told you so. What a shocking strategic decision. CHF or Wing to give us run

he is not very smart in the back line and where he kicks the ball. his dad was a gun back man but waite is a forward

Did you miss last night's game? Lovely kicking from Waite.