As long as it is presciption.

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unfortunately people who are blaming the ump rather than stevens for costing us a goal are misguided.

this was a critical point in the game, when we'd just got a nice goal and brought the margin back to 7 points. if we hold it up and/or wind possession, we are a chance. instead, stevens fumbles, goes to ground (ok a little bit over the shoulder but you see players jump on others heads to get those holding the balls) and has the free paid against him. if he just deals with it we are still a chance. instead, has a go at the ump and it is a goal 5 secs later from 4m out directly in front. there goes any momentum we had. game over.

am not saying that the result would have changed if he hadn't given the 50m, but still, it totally snuffed us out. not good enough from a player of his experience and supposed leadership. reflects his dog of a night, generally.

doesn't matter that we didn't get a 50 for hudgton's spray.

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Did anyone else notice that the 50M was given away about 25-30 metres outside the 50, yet the mark was put in the goalsquare?

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latte thanks... if you think shaking your head and asking what was the for having a go at the umpire, then about 20 50m poenalties should be given every game... the umpire just took exception to Stevens, which is bullshit.

there is no doubt you dont give the umpires a reason to crucify you, but when the reason is that minimal, well i think Stevens did well not to argue more in the end. the inital free wasnt there, it was a ball up, and the 50m penalty defiantely wasnt there cos what he did does no contitute "having a go" at the ump.

anyone who says AFL is the only sport that gets away with abusing refs, you ahvent watched European soccer before and in particular scum like Rooney and Terry abusing all in sundry when a decision goes rightfully against them!

Great leadership by Juddy....GLAD to have him.....it was great to watch last night.....

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All players were told not to backchat the umpire this season and whilst I think the rule is ridiculous, they were told.

He is vice captain and should not have allowed himself to get played like that - bad leadership from him and sets a bad example to the others.

Not good enough.

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It's fine to penalise Stevens, as long as everyone else acting the same way cops the same penalty.

But that didn't happen. What's a player supposed to think when he sees not one but two St Kilda players go off at the umpire in the first quarter without consequence? It's stupidity.

Further, Hudghton and the bloke who got pinged for hands in Murphy's back were caught lagging behind their opponent. They were out of the contest and infringed because they weren't good enough to get to the ball. Then they carry on like melodramtic drama queens, and get off scott free.

Stevens was first to the ball, made the play, got knocked about for his troubles by yet another St Kilda player late to the contest, gets pinged, also has a whinge and it's 50m against.

Where is the logic.

There is none.

So should he react the same way next time if it is a similar set of circumstances? I don't want him to do you?

If it means the opposition get penalised 50m, twice, for doing the same thing in a game, then it would be foolish of him.

Given St Kilda got away with it, twice, I think his reaction was wholly justified. There should not have been a 50m penalty.

So you condone that behaviour under those set of circumstances. Is it fair to assume that you don't condone Chris Judd's reaction towards Stevens?
I condone Judd's actions irrespective of the circumstances.

Judd has every right to say whatever he wants out on the field. It's an irrelevant point.

I definitely condone Steven's reaction. The umpires are required to interpret the rules, and changing their interpretation mid-game is just not on. If the tone is set in the first quarter, it has to be carried through to the last, especially considering Stevens' reaction was lesser than Hudghton's and on par with whoever the other guy was.

Judd's reaction is a very valid point. If our players are going to give a 50 metre penalty every time the umpires are inconsistent then pick 1&2 are stitched up right now. Nick Stevens makes mistakes, Chris Judd makes mistakes and umpires make mistakes. Once the mistake is made you can't change it.

Judd was reacting out of anger, as was Stevens, as were all Carlton supporters. It is irrelevant.

i was at the game and St Kilda supporters jeered every free kick they got. the total free kick count was 23-22 in our favour, but they jeered 22 times. it was a pathetic sight. plus how they chanted "st kilda...calpclapclap...st kilda ...clapclapclap" after every single goals. they socred 19 for efen sakes. Their supporters pissed me off.

As for judd, i saw that "on the couch" and it looked brilliant on Judd's behald. it shows he knows his role at the club and stevens respects judd's leadership.

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I think there is no doubt Stevens respects Judd... look at the handball he gave when 20m running into goal!!!

agree with verbs... at the end of the day, if they were consistant, we should of had 2 50m's and they 1. but it wasnt consistent, and thats all we ask for! not really condoning Stevens actions, cos it cost us a vital goal, but he can only go by what is happening on the field, how is he supposed to know the umpire is going to react like that, when he didnt react like that with st.kilda players?!?!

end of the day its a mute point, we lost and Stevens no matter what we say looks like the bad guy.

Does anyone know if the footage of Judd and Stevo has been placed anywhere?

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One action cost us a goal and showed a distinct lack of leadership. The other action cost the team zilch and outlined what is required by ALL players in the future. Irrelevant my arse.

Irrelevant pathetic drivel.

I haven't seen the footage and can only go on what is written here and the radio commentary from last Saturday. Judd having a dip at Stevens is totally appropriate and he is the captain - it is called holding people responsible, an essential leadership role. That is exactly what we need more of in our team on and off the field. Stevens was totally out of line, cost the team a goal and what a poor example that set the younger talent. Especially when all players were warned previously. Like players, umpires make mistakes and Stevens needs to show some maturity and handle his disappointment more effectively. He is a professional and therefore these expectations are not too high. He is the VC and thanks be given for having Juddy on board!

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