Ummm....

so Waite blitzes Riewoldt and the move to CHB isn't working?

Jolly good, keep up the insights.

another natural forward having to sacrifice his own game to make way for Bozo the clown

Heres a hint ditch the clown

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Here, here. Find a replacement for Waite at CHB and move him up forward.

Fev doesn't look like he's even half interested in footy ATM. He's a cancer that will hold this team back until he either goes, or does a 180 in a matter of weeks.

His attitude sucks and his footy's not far behind.



There, I've said it!

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Keep Waite back. Steady the backline. For the first time in years the backline actually looked good as far as keeping keys quiet. Hopefully we can add some dash. ie Walker Anderson Brown.

Trade Fev. Teach edwards how to kick and use him as a leading forward and let Asaike and kreuzer roam the arc. Fisher as a lead up forward.

Trade Fev and Russell to Brisbane for Mitch Clarke and Edwards wouldn't need to be FF .

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Long term, the theory (that Fev isn't the answer) is not so bad... but I would prefer something that keeps our best forward at Carlton.

Short term, why not try Judd up forward. Its a move that mids make towards the end of their careers (after years of getting smashed and sniped in the congested centre square) but it could be an answer while he is recovering. He needs to get quality minutes into his groin, but his leadership up forward (in terms of structure and off-ball work) would be fantastic.

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That'd be great, but Fev keeps dropping his guts up there and Juddy doesn't want to hang around with that smell going on .

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Yes I was waiting for that response. I am yet to see the benefit of Waite's move. You can party on his individual performance. Stkilda still scored 125. We lost by 7 goals. Waite is the only genuine CHF at the club and in my opinion we have lost Fev's effectiveness in the process. He is taking too much heat. Waite CHF.

This week is the perfect time to throw caution to the wind and play Waite, Fisher and Fevola forward.
Get on the offensive and let them worry about who they will match up on us.
We only have to worry about Lloyd and i like the way Ohailpin bashes him.

Betts Fevola Fisher F
Houlihan Waite Kreuzer HF
Simpson Judd Stevens C
Scotland Thornton Bower HB
Carrazzo Ohailpin Jamo B
Rucks: Cloke, Gibbs Murphy
Pfieffer, Bentick Hampson, Grigg

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and who is waite going to shut down next week? jamo, setanta and thornton will handle lloyd, mcphee and whoever else.

waite is much more effective to the team at front. he provides another option, and can easily help fev.

playing waite down back is playing into the opposisions hands.

Bower should be groomed as our next CHB and should play there. he has shown he is eager to rebound and attack when he has possesion.

A future backline of Jamison, Bower, Thornton, Setanta, Austin, Anderson and Browne will be awsome. so lets get that going and play waite forward.

I'm just waiting for someone to name me one game in which Waite has dominated when he's gone forward?

Ie. he dominated against riewoldt down at CHB the other night. He's had what five years in the system? Wrack your brains and point out to me one single game in which he has dominated from CHF like he did last Saturday night at CHB???

there was that game against Hawthorn when Fev was suspended where he bagged five .


I think the comment made by him after the game was it's amazing what you can do when they kick to you

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he donminated CHB. LOL

he did a great job at shutting down 1 player.

i didnt see him providing effective rebound. i didnt see him present an option for our mids when they went backwards to help keep possesion of the ball. i didnt see him go around helping setanta when he struggled.

Cornes is an example of a player who dominates at CHB. Tagging a player and taking him out of the game is not dominating CHB.

ffs, if i where coach waite would only go back on special occasions, like when we are palying Buddy Franklin FC, or to shut down riewoldt. but on saturday we struggled up front and he had to be moved up front. simple.

Fair enough then...

well in my mind he played a great game on Saturday night and took the Sook to the cleaners. And I've still never seen him play one game up front which has in any way been noteworthy.

And that's where we're at isn't it? We're debating the merits of a guy who may have played a handful of good games on the forward line vs a handful of good games on the backline.

I'd need to look on the Blueseum, but isn't Jarrad on over 100 games? That's the inidctement of this conversation

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Waite has played 87 games.

He really started to become regular forward after playing about 30 games.

Since then he has kicked 82 goals (including 28 last year with several stints in defence) in 56 games.

This averages out to be 32 goals per 22 games.

That's a pretty good start for a CHF with a focal FF in Fev.

Waite is capable of kicking 50 a year.

He also has the attributes to become a great CHB. He has really only played a handful of games down there. With a season under his belt he could be an AA.

....Waite is a natural forward.... ..we can drum and drill into him the neccessary discipline required for a defender, but his instincts will always scream forward.. ..we have neither a CHB, nor CHF.. ..i think we have more options for CHb than CHF.. ..i think he's starting to mature and good form is coming his way.. ..he has the potential to be a very good CHB, i think he can more easily become a great CHF.. ...and our forward line needs a proper CHF.. ..fev takes too much heat.. ..fev to stay at FF, with betts and fish in the pockets.. ..i rotate our midfilders thru the HFF either side of waite..

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In rounds 9-13 last year, he kicked 4, 3, 4, 1 and 5 goals. He played great football in that spell, did some freakish things, and is a bugger to much up on.

There is no doubt that he is our best CHB and our best CHF. There are two questions in my mind.

1. How are we going to kick a winning score without him forward? I'll be blunt here, Hartlett and Edwards have done nothing in senior football to suggest they can be key forward this year. They may yet become key forwards, but all these people saying they are the answer are ignoring the facts, they have done nothing, other than show a bit here and there, as you would expect any drafted player to do at some point. So, we can continue to use them forward, but we run the risk of never being able tokick a winning score. Natanui, come on down.

As for Kreuzer, he can not hold down CHF, not this year.

Having Fevola, Waite and Fisher, with three smalls, suddenly gives us a potentially dangerous forwardline. Fevola no longer is the only goalkicker, freeing him up, Waite is dangerous, and we all know how good Fisher is as a third tall.

2. What is O'hAilpin's best position? For me, he is most suited to CHB. Atheletic, a good engine, quick, and reads the ball reasonably well. Has long arms, and good closing speed. Where he is better suited to CHB over FB is that CHB doesn't require the precise ball reading that playing on a leading FF requires, he doesn't need to be so precise at CHB.

So...my go is for Waite at CHF, and Setanta at CHB.

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2007 R9 Adelaide K - 12 HB - 5 D - 17 M - 7 Score 4.2 Loss
2007 R10 Western Bulldogs K - 12 HB - 13 D - 25 M - 7 Score 3.1 Win
2007 R11 Port Adelaide K - 10 HB - 3 D - 13 M - 6 Score 4.0 Win
2007 R12 Hawthorn K - 10 HB - 5 D - 15 M - 4 Score 1.3 Loss
2007 R13 Fremantle K - 10 HB - 3 1D - 3 M - 6 Score 5.1 Loss

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I have been screaming for Waite and Hula to play in the Forward Line since last year, especially now that we have no experience players besides Fisher that are strong enough to take the heath off Fev.

Carlton all they concentrated in last year trades on mostly in Centre Men and haven’t worried about picking a likely Forward, you just cant rely on our young guys just yet, sure most of us been romancing with all the young talents we have, but you just cant run a football team with just young players you need a mixture of young players and older experienced players with strong bodies plus the Team Structure and play tactics leave a lot to be desired of in fact I think the whole Match Committee have something to answer for our sh*t game plan.

People here are starting to blame Fev already because we expect him to kick his dozen goals a week but all I have been seeing so far is that the ball doesn’t get delivered to him properly we keep on chipping the ball side ways in the centre and when we finally get it forward, there is two or three players on him with no backup around him I know he is a bit of a rabbit outside Football but Carlton will be the losers if he decides to leave us next year and I’m sure we will loose him if the forward structure doesn’t improve.