Agree as well.

Andain,
finally someone is making sense!!!
we are not going places with banno, wiggins, saddo, bentick, Ackland.
get the kids in there for experience. people say its only round one but who did we lose to?
do people want to see these guys above play before armfield, browne, anderson, austin and pfeiffer.
sorry but these guys have had there CHANCE and its time to play kids and get some experience under there belt.
as i said who did we lose to? say no more.

convincing argument seeing only banno played.

IMO bentick has alot to offer.

QFT - would have been handy on Thurs night when Tigers were tearing us apart at the clearances

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tend to agree KK. as much as i don't see saddo as a long term answer or even an answer period. but his experience just may prove invaluable in assisting the development of some of these young KP defenders

So Saddington, with his experience as a defender who can't defend, is going to help Bower develop by taking his place in the side.

I can see how that works...

I don't think percy jones should ever play again. He's past it.

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Wasn't KK's idea that Saddo play alongside Bower, not instead of him?

And you accuse other people of replying to theads without reading them first...

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So we drop Jamison then? He's twice the defender Saddington is already so that would be stupid.

Or Thornton? Not only is Thornton is better defender than Saddo he's got experience too so that would be stupid as well.

Or Waite? Dropping one of our best players for Saddo would be insanity.

Who would you drop instead of Bower???

Having five tall defenders in your 22 is just madness so don't even suggest that you'd drop one of the mids. Playing Saddo, when there's no injuries, would be the very height of stupidity and would cost one of our two developing defenders a spot in the side.

I think the thread title is misleading.

The Blues are presently not Mighty at all, but when they area again, most of the names you mention probably won't be there Andain.

So in retrospect you've answered your own question.

I think Saddington's experience could be best utilised on the training track.

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Saddington
Who suggested Saddington get a game.

I want 22 guys picked who will put their body on the line.
Picking Saddington means one less

That's the way mate, don't admit you made a mistake, just go on the attack...

Are we talking about players that won't play this week or "players that should never play for the Mighty Blues again"?

If we're talking about this week, I think Saddo only has an outside chance of being selected vs St Kilda. But if he does - who says Bower, Jamo or Waite have to be dropped for him to come in?! If the 3 talls we had out last week don't come up, maybe Saddo will come in for Hartlett? Maybe he'll play forward and give us a bit of size and experience down there? Or maybe he'll play in defence so that Waite or Carlos (or T-Bird?) can go forward? Look, these are just hypotheticals, and they are not scenarios that particularly excite me either. Saddo isn't in my best 22. I'm just saying that we don’t know what circumstances will be thrown at us as the year unfolds, and Ratten may have specific roles in certain games for Saddo (and Banno and Wiggo etc).

I'm not going to repeat myself by explaining again in this thread why I think playing the likes of Saddo from time to time doesn't automatically equate to neglecting the development of our kids.

And don’t forget, just because a kid is on an AFL list doesn't mean he's ready to play AFL...

I don't know how you could possibly start listing players in our squad (of only 40 blokes) that should "never play for Carlton again" when there is still 21 games left to play. Anything could happen in the next 21 weeks, including injuries...

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For what's it's worth last year Ratts said that you can't play all the kids at the one time and you need some mature bodies to share the load during a long season.

So the kids come in and out of the side and you can't play them all at once. There's nothing new with that and if a senior players deserves a game or is picked for a specific task then that's just the way it is. The MC obviously thought that Deledio Brown and Pettifer meant we needed an extra defensive player who could run with them if they moved up the field or started to cause problems and the fact that we needed another defender who could play short or tall because Carlos had to provide some relief in the ruck and that made a space for Bannister.

Bower Grigg Edwards Gibbs Hartlett Jackson Murphy and Carlos are all still yet to play 50 games. Add in Kreuzer and Hampson and it is a very inexperienced side. Then you have Judd Stevens Scotland Simpson Waite Fevola Hadley Cloke Houlihan Thornton and Carrazzo with Walker when fit. That doesn't leave a lot of spots open so not all the kids can play.

I'd run Bannister with Lenny Hayes this week to free up one of our mids. Shadow Bannister.

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banno was delisted for a reason 'because he is SHIT'!!!!!!!!!
i taped the richmond game and if anyone thinks he should play this week please come over and watch the game again.
wiggins, Ackland, bentick and saddo did not play against richmond why? have a quess.
if everyone one at carlton wants to move forward quess what we have to do. bring in anderson and browne for a bit of grunt!!!!!!

Banno delisted?

WTF??

Cool, can you send me a copy of the dvd as I was at the game on level one which really is a shit place to catch it....I'm serious...

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I was at the game and Banno wasn't our worst player.

Bentick was underdone and Ackland is injured.

Have you been watching the Bullants' pre-season games? Browne looks promising, but I personally wouldn't rush him into the AFL. Grunt? Browne is undersized if anything. He'll get a taste of AFL this year, but how do you expect a small-ish 18 year old to come in and give us 'grunt'?! Anderson's form in the VFL has only been OK, and his disposal is no better (probably worse) than Banno's at this stage of his career IMO.

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i will ask the question again, do you think the blues should play bannister, haclkand, bentick, wiggins and saddington before the likes of armfield, anderson, browne, austin and pfeiffer?
now i hate being rude, but these guys have a go time and time again and yet not one has prove anything.
you cant play all the kids at once but play a couple of kids per game.
ie; anderson for bannister, now hartlett is out maybe move waite to chf and play austin at chb?{i guess waite will go striaght to big nick}
all iam suggesting is that we try and get some game time for our future, not keep playing guys over and over again who are not up to it.
jamison is a great example, edwards is coming along well, bower is starting to play good smart footy. moving forward with more kids can only improve our future.