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Pretty much summed up why we lost on thursday, and while it's ok to be disappointed/pissed off about it, there's no reason to hit the panic button yet.

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The fact is in the short term:

Hampson, Kreuzer and Fisher will add some ooomph. How much, time will tell.

Longer term:

Walker back.

Judd, Stevens, Hadley, and Cloke were all underdone in one way or another having missed so much competitive football in the last few months.

There is an upside, we just have to get the most out of what we have got, and we do have a fair bit, we just have to get it out of them and get them to work together.

In terms of Fevola, w eneed him to be kicked to one on one, or have drawn two or three defenders out of a zone where another option is available.

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We'd be right if we had a 2000 Kouta.

On the one hand Hadley says we lost the ascendency with the hard ball gets then later lost on the outside, and on the other hand he says we will gel together in the midfield.

Whether they're gelled or not, why on earth did the Tiges get the ball first?

That's a different issue.

Ticker? Desire? Too many outside players? Whatever it was it made me sick. They wanted it and they got it. We wanted it and waited for someone to go in and get it.

Get Bentick in the team if that's the case.

Surely each player has a responsibility to get the hard ball when it's their turn.

We need players focussed on getting to the ball before the opposition. I don't see too many wanting to do that in the round 1 team and Bentick is one that will put his head over the ball and be first in. Pick him.

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Hadley himself is probably aiming for that too.

You're right though, no-one seemed willing to get in there and get the damn ball. Preservation of injuries perhaps?

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hadleys comments made perfect sense, to me anyway. this was the teams first competitive hitout with new or reinstated cogs back in the midfield. like in any sport you only become truly competitive and hit your absolute peak by playing competitive games together as a unit and gelling. knowing where eachother run, where eachother stand, knowing instinctively which one of you will be where, who will get the ball etc etc. judd's first game in there. stevens first for a year, hadleys first, gibbs pushed inside for patches all combined to make a promising, albeit inexperienced, unit. not inexperienced in terms of games played, premierships won, but inexperienced in terms of an actual unit.

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Hadelys comments made sense to me. He was saying that when the midfield gels they will be playing much better footy. It's a case that now with Judd, Stevens, Hadely, Hamson and Kruiser new to the midfield this year (and new coach) it will take time to learn each others strengths, weaknesses and what to expect from each other.

An example of this is when talking about recruiting on this site and BO comes on about the need for tanking or hughes is crap, we know he means it, but if someone who just joined a week ago, we would not be sure if they were joking or were serious. Somethings just need time to develop like understanding each other and relationships where you can be honest with each other. I wonder if our players are honest with each other in their appraisal of their teammates or they hide in their shells?

if you're playing with the intention of preserving injuries you shouldn't be out there in the first place. might as well give 'em the 4 points and save everybody's time.

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So we should send Judd to the bullants then?

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In relation to clearences the Richmond ruckman were instructed to tap the ball behind them. This was an obvious plan and yet our onballers didnt wake to it or the coaching staff. Unbelievable .

It doesnt help too when you have a few fridge magnets in your team( outside players always stuck to the tin( advertisement hoardings)

I will reserve my judgement on this team to around halfway of the season and if their isnt an overall improvement i will let fly with the biggest bake ever.

As for the ruckman situation please MC forget Carlos in the ruck. Never will be a ruckman.
In fact Cloke as well. play Jacobs regardless of kreuzer and Hampson physical condition. Why he didnt play last week is a joke.

Another conservative selection process.

I thought that was over when Denis walk out to Royal Parade for the last time.

Cheers seanpb and steveC7.

I can see your interpretation of his points, and I too agree that overtime the midfield will play better.

The point I was making was that Hadley didn't point out that we were good in the first half and we were getting our share of the hard contested balls but faded in the 2nd half...to me that wasn't about gel issues, it was to do with committment, desire, fitness or something like that from where I sat, but I might be wrong...I just wanted to know why that happened ie the fade out moreso than the fact that we will grow as a team. There must be a reason for it.

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Players like Bentick are becoming more valuable by the week. Has to be recalled for this week, not sure who else we have that can bash and crash, win clearances, and feed our runners.

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Absolutely mjonc. I assume Bentick was still injured last week, because I find it hard to believe Ratten wouldn't play him if fit.

We go in this week seriously under age. We need any amount of hardness we can get. That would include Wiggins, too.

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After AB's efforts in the VFL praccy game on Saturday, I would be surprised not to see him picked.

I'd reckon we need speed before we need Adam B. We've got to get on the bike at the dome or else it will be ugly - and that's the way to beat a top heavy St Kilda.

We will miss 1AW in this one coming off the half back line.


Actually we missed that on Thursday.

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AB's lack of leg speed a huge worry still - would only replace Jacko for him as he's no racehorse either and was only so so against Tiges.

I hope they stick with Grigg. With Jacko doing the job on Harvey last time, I fear Grigg in trouble if they want AB. Conundrum, as Grigg's pace and run will be very handy.

To bring AB in the side you'd think either Carazzo or Hadley would need to be omitted which I would be reluctant to do at this stage.

Remember that AB has played 54 AFL matches to date and turns 23 in June so it is fair to say he's been given plenty of chances and probably doesn't have a great deal of upside.

Hadley would now be nearing full match fitness so lets give him a few games to show his wares.

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When the coach states on our website he was happy with Grigg, i don't think he is going anyway. Also consider that Grigg plays a role in defence, not the midfield at present.

"Ratten drew some positives from the game in the form of a good first-up performance from new skipper Chris Judd, Jordan Bannister’s job on Brett Deledio and the form of youngsters Shaun Grigg, Paul Bower and Marc Murphy."


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This looks to have improved. He has worked hard to change his action, lost some weight, and appears to have picked up some speed in the process. Not saying that he is now likely to contest the GF sprint, but any improvement is a bonus. His intensity in the centre square on the weekend gave gave those of us watching some hope.

AB does 3 things
Get the hard ball
tackles any prick in the way of getting the hard ball
runs hard to space if some other bluebagger gets the hard ball

if he's fit, and from his game on the weekend

he is more than in my 22, he is in my top 10.

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