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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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In my little mind... we have no excuses to be just floundering...
even if its round 1
we need to see patterns of players understanding the game...
if we cant there something seriously wrong...
We've spent every year since 2003 being drilled to play a long kicking game which does not work any more given the way the game is now played. If you had Carey and Jonathan Brown running around your forward line at their peak maybe...maybe. It will take time to adjust to a short possession game plan which requires sharp decision making and pinpoint skills. I think we have the midfielders to do it (Judd, Murphy, Stevens, Gibbs, Simpson). I don't think we have the bookends. Get those and we're set.
Ok so now we have to go out and get Rutten and Brown or we cant play?????
He's not talking about Rutten and Brown...
who is he talking about???
and BO.. Livingston doesnt play for us anylonger... either does Hotton...
We have alist no worse than anyones..... we need momentum ...
We have a lack of serious quality key position players and won't go anywhere until we get them. If you think we will you're all deluding yourselves.
Do you think this is 'Weird Science'?
If you do... youre living in lalaland...
If we draft a KP player this year he will be 4 years away...
You cant have everything in this age of drafting and salary caps....
What you can do is drill the players into a single unit...
4 years aways is perfect. That's when we'll be challenging for a premiership, 3-4 years. Look at Hawthorn, the basis of their success is going to be their dominant forwardline on Roughead, Franklin, Boyle and Thorp. Of those Roughead, Franklin and Thorp were picks 2, 5 and 7. (Thorp would have been a top 2 in most drafts other than the superdraft). They got their batch of key position players with early picks. We need to do the same. Now of course key position players aren't always top timber early in the draft. In 2005 there weren't that many. In 2006 there were but we got rooted out of a priority pick. I hope KReuzer can make it as a CHF, I think that's where we need him. In 2004 we had to go and win 10 games. This year there are a lot of quality key position players.....
If you think Thornton, Waite and Jamison are going to be able to stop the likes of Franklin, Roughead, Boyle and Thorp, or a Geelong forward line led by Hawkins, Mooney, Ottens, you're dreaming. And next week we're going to have a tough time manning RIewoldt, Kosi, Gherig. And when we kick it down there Fev is triple teamed while we have the stellar options of second gamer Jake Edwards, Fisher who can barely kick it 40 metres, Hartlett if he's not injured or rubbed out...We need more key positions, simple. Until we have those, you can drill us as much as you like but we're going to struggle.
"Yeah but will Hawtrhorns backline stop Fisher Fevola Kreuzer etc is our midfield is on top????"
They will have a much better shot at restricting them than we will of restricting theirs. Fevola IMO at his best is equal to Franklin at his best. Kreuzer at his best will equal thorp I think. Fisher and Roughead are pretty even. So again it comes down to whos backline is better...Remember Hawthorn can throw Roughead/Thorp down back if need be. Look I don't doubt we have talent going forward, but if we get two gun key defenders at the end of this year we will be in such ab etter position it's not funny.
"Look... if youre going to wait for us to bring in gun defendrs and then spend four years on them... before were a chance... you might as well wave goodbye to Stevens Fevola Scotland and Judd... cos they will be retiring... so then we have to wait another four years to replace them... when Walker Simmo Waite Fisher will be retiring..."
You think we can win the premiership this year do you? Scotland IMO is not crucial to the team. Stevens in three years should still be playing, yes as a veteran but every premiership team of the past decades has had a veteran or two. In three - four years Judd will be 28... still at his peak. There is no reason why Fev can't be playing in three or four years at 30.. And of course we will go forward in the meantime but in three or ofur years those key position players we get at the end of this year will be a bonus. Look at how Fraklin/Roughead went today (this is their fourth year!!!!!!)
"Get a grip!!!
Jameson looks good... and we have to drill our team so theyre playing as a single unit.. and then allow our better payers to take over..."
Jamison is excellent, but another key position backman with a good size will dramatically help us too. Jamison can't take Franklin Roughead and Thorp by himself...
"I think youre naive if you believe that we cant go forward..."
I think we can go forward. I think your naive if you don't however see the overwhelming benefit a couple of brilliant extra key positon players will bring. You know how to get them.. you were advocating it last year...
"I reckon were having trouble in the development and the drill/coaching area... which is where we have been strugging for the last few years as well as not having enough talent..."
I don't, I think we're adjusting to a new style of play.
"Right now we have raw talent.. but that raw talent like a diamond needs to be CUT into something great
Is Ratten the right man for the job????
God knows... but he better be......
Dont forget the match committee didnt have a hell of alot of belief in Ratts. he got a 2 year contract....
he was unproven and came from shit creek....
he was also a mate of some on the board...."
He showed a lot last year despite the losses (and in all honesty we probably weren't trying to win). He is drilling us properly I think and eventually the gameplan will work. It doesn't all happen overnight, the first step is to get us used to playing a possession game and that's what we're doing (slowly). You seem to be using Ratten's first game performance as an excuse to have an all out attack on the board. The same board I should point out that got us Swann, Icke and Judd.. Give Ratts time.
"so he better be good...
right now i have seen nothing to suggest he understands teaching the game .....
(unlike someone like Chocco) who always has his teams beutifuly drilled... (win or loss).... they look like they know what theyre doing out there....and the skills are sound..."
M'mm, and as good as Choco was they won one premiership in four years when they were at the top. Get two more gun key position players this year and we could win three or four in a row. I don't doubt we could pinch a premiership with this list. I hope we will and I think in all probability we will. Add a couple more excellent key position players and we have a shot at winning three or four. At the moment we have a shot at a 95 or an 87. Get two more gun key positions and we have a shot at 79-82.
And Ratts will coach us to a premiership. I just hope he can coach us to three or four in a row.
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