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I for the life of me I just cant understand why Saddington wasn’t playing last night, even if he was picked on the bench, we talk about the weakness of our backline, a game we had to win and you leave him out, purely madness in my book. :evil:


Gee, I've heard it all now. :?
Saddo is a great bloke but Jamo has gone miles past him.
He doesnt have the physical capability to play key back.


I haven’t named any player, but surely there had to be a place for him especially that now we lost Walker, even on the bench would have done, I think he would have added that extra bit of stability to our backline anyway that’s my opinion.


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We have to show a bit of faith in the coach BlueKettle.
From memory, we had Bower, T/Bird, Jamo, Waite and Grigg in the back half at the start of the game. Thats 5 players 190cm or over.
Bannister may have been there as well which makes it 6!
Plus we had Carlos on the bench who can play key back.

Another tall player who cant hold down a KP is the last thing we needed IMO.
We were beaten up around the ball. The backline wasnt our problem.

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im actually not as concerned about winning footy games as im concverned about playing with a style that is effective...and that in turn will manufacture game wins....
i cringed alot last night....
remember who we were playing... the opposition get harder from this point on...


It was effective for a half. A lot has been said about us not being ready. Why aren't we? 100% fitness into most will see us win more than lose. I really do not think we are that far away....

How strong is Juddy? That tackle Johnson had on him did nothing. He stood up and went forward. Any other game the ones Juddy missed, Hadley, Edwards and co would and could be goals, this game could have been over a lot earlier and in our direction. Experience in the end and fitness won that game.


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Well, if we win next week than this weeks loss won't matter. Lose to a when we shouldn't, win when we shouldn't.

Can't remember the last time we beat the Saints, up until last year they slaughtered us each time. This run can't go on forever. I'd give the Blues a little more than a decent shot to win next week.


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Should Aiske come in to the lineup?


Yes and Benjamin.We take ages to blood our player unlike every other club.


Neither of them have been in full training for 6 months.
Would you like us to give Bernie Evans a run as well?


So what are they 100% fit to play football,if they are, throw them in instead of the bullants instead of playing hacks,they might struggle for several weeks,but they have size and a bit of muscle and learn more in the AFL.The other clubs seem to throw some of these players in year 1 and always year 2. If the club thinks they not ready,i guess they duds we recruited.

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Blue Vain wrote:
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I for the life of me I just cant understand why Saddington wasn’t playing last night, even if he was picked on the bench, we talk about the weakness of our backline, a game we had to win and you leave him out, purely madness in my book. :evil:


Gee, I've heard it all now. :?
Saddo is a great bloke but Jamo has gone miles past him.
He doesnt have the physical capability to play key back.

Jamo will be a ok player,but we still need a really good Full Back from a AFL club to hopefully leave his club,who is still rather young.We could also find one in the draft,who looks rather built already for his age,who will be a top pick in this year draft.

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Blue Vain wrote:
We were beaten up around the ball. The backline wasnt our problem.


We still let over 100 points thru.....Saddington should be on the ground with his experience.....why else did we keep him?


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I hope Ratts has plan -B

He didnt seem to last night

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Don't forget "First Night Nerves".....he's a novice Coach.


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Warby wrote:
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We were beaten up around the ball. The backline wasnt our problem.


We still let over 100 points thru.....Saddington should be on the ground with his experience.....why else did we keep him?


The scoreline might have something to do with Richmond going deep inside their forward line 50 times with little pressure!

Saddo has'nt held a permanent spot in a team for 5 years, what makes anyone think he suddenly became the answer overnight?
He is there now to help develop the kids and give us depth. He wouldnt have made a scrap of difference.

The kids looked OK, give them time.

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I think they play Fev one out in the goal square in the 50m zone all by himself.
And if a 2nd player is dropped back on him, put the carlton player on him 30metres away from Fev 45metres out sitting there all alone.

The player dropping back either leaves a carlton player open in the forward line or double teams fev.

Simple logic u would think hey? Dont know why Pagan.Ratts let other teams double team fev when a simple solution is to do that.


That's how Richo got the ball. The Richmong forwards isolated him to compete one on one against the lighter Jamo. We should be doing the same with Fev.

We've got to move the ball forward faster, that's the only way to beat the flood.

So what does Ratts have to do to get his first win?

Get in their heads and tell them to run harder than they ever have or play in the Ants. Gut busting running and more intensity is required. Can Ratts drill that into them?

I think so.

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Synbad wrote:
im actually not as concerned about winning footy games as im concverned about playing with a style that is effective...and that in turn will manufacture game wins....
i cringed alot last night....
remember who we were playing... the opposition get harder from this point on...


structurally we were weak. It was understandable though

The absence of ruckmen meant setanta was played there and rotated off the bench. For mine he needs to play either deep forward or as a key back. This left an undersized jamison on richo. I imagine that ratten had reasons for not selecting jacobs but I would definitely have had him in the team to improve our structure (regardless of what his form is like).

Lack of match fitness in judd, stevens, hadley meant that we didnt chase as much as we would expect to -aside from simpson, our midfield chase was poor.

Lack of forward structure - have said it before but fisher is the most important player in our forward structure. He is consistent and offers soemething that non of our other forwards are able to - consistent pack marking. Edwards did well for his debut but hartlett was ineffectual.

If anything the game just showed how little depth we have and how much injuries will determine how we see out the season.


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Does anyone know the "record" for most games taken for a VFL/AFL coach to achieve their first win?


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Let's hope Melbourne don't improve. If we lose to them it'll be red alert.

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Abaddon wrote:
the carlton list is full of duds.
turnover kings. terrible skills. no fitness. can't tackle. an absolute rabble that got smashed by the worst (well second worst) team in the league.


Go home you [REDACTED].
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I just knew we wouldn't be able to live up to the hype

Thank fkk the Swines were beaten otherwise I'd be copping sh1t tomorrow .. pity also is that we play the Aints next week, who is the team of another colleague ... sigh

Reckon we could beat the Scum, NMFC, Demons, and WB: I will only back us against these teams so far this year .. the rest remain to be seen


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samblueboy wrote:
Well, if we win next week than this weeks loss won't matter. Lose to a when we shouldn't, win when we shouldn't.

Can't remember the last time we beat the Saints, up until last year they slaughtered us each time. This run can't go on forever. I'd give the Blues a little more than a decent shot to win next week.


2001. The last time SOS played against them.

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Round 20, 2001.....

St Kilda is hopefully at the end of a long winning streak against the Blues, with 9 in succession since the above game.

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I think having Hammo back will also help us as Cloke can spend more time in the fwd 50. He is 196cm, fairly mobile and can take a mark.

A fwd line of Fev, Fish, Cloke, Edwards isn;t so bad.

I think our back line shows potnetial but we all know it is going to struggle against the best fwds in the comp. Bower, Grigg and Jamieson are both learning and they will have good days and bad days. We kept the Tiges to under 10 goals at 3qtr time, so we weren;t going too bad.

I think playing Bentick/Pfieffer as a in and under ball winner may halp us.

This week's ins
Hammo
Fish
Pfieffer

Outs
Setanta
Hartlett
Jackson

I thought our skille level looked alot better but we were too slow bringing the ball into the fwd line and did not link up with handball as much as we should have

Will be better next week.

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We must stop their drive from the back of the square, from Gram and montagne, so we'll need some slippery HFF playing.

Conversely we can damage them with their slow defence if we move the ball a lot quicker coming out of defence. Thornton must run straight lines and then dish it off to another runner or long kick. At the Dome they will flood back with our slow ball movement.

I'd play Bannister as a tag of Hayes, and would think about AOH as a running link man presenting options. King and Gardner will not keep up with him. - Well if he's fit.

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