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 Post subject: In defence of Fev
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:05 pm 
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I know I get bagged a lot on here, but I don’t care. The stuff I post is driven by one thing, a love of this club and a desire to see it succeed. As such, I have a special fondness for players who appear to genuinely love the club, to cherish the jumper, to bleed for the side. There aren’t many in the AFL that do that these days. There are unfortunately too few. Fortunately for us, we have one of those players and that player is Fev. Whatever you think of him, whether it be goalkicking champion, idiot, brilliant player or headcase, leader, inspirer or distracter, no one can doubt or deny his love for the jumper and the club.

I’m going to tell you a story about Fev. I’ve told it before and I’ll tell it again. It was at a function for a socceroos game, and basically a young kid went up to another player who I won’t mention and asked for an autograph. He was brushed aside. Fev then intervened, spoke to the kid and gave him an autograph. He asked the kid who he went for, and when finding out it was not Carlton, Fev tried to convince the kid to go for Carlton.

If you think I’m now going to claim that this excuses a lot of the mistakes Fev has made in the past, you are wrong. It does not. But I think it puts into context what Fev really is, and that is a big kid. I honestly do not think he ever means anyone any harm when he makes his mistakes. He is certainly not a bad person in my opinion. There are bad people in football, one of which has been the subject of much speculation, innuendo and controversy recently, both here and in another country. I think we all know who I am referring to. But Fev is not like this. Deep down he’s a good man with a kind heart. He makes stupid mistakes of course, but that’s what they are, stupid and not malicious.

I think it was Cazzesman on here who predicted at the beginning of 2006 that Fev would have a good year as he had settled down with his wife and kid, and that can have a huge effect on you, a huge positive effect. Cazzesman was 100 per cent on the ball with that comment. Fev went on to win the coleman in a side that finished last, an achievement which had not been done for decades. That year he showed us what he was truly capable of, both on and off the field. On field he was devastating, and ultimately was judged the best full forward in the league by gaining All Australian Selection. Off field the kids looked up to him, and he was touted as a potential Captain.

OF course a lot has changed since then, but it is not irreparable change. I have no doubt Fev can get back to the 2006 form and the way he conducted himself that year if we give him the chance and help he needs. It’s pretty obvious alcohol is a problem for him, and I have no doubt the club would be helping him with this issue. But in the mean time I urge all the supporters on here calling for him to be traded or sacked to have a long hard look at themselves.

Fev at his best is in my opinion our most devastating player. He can tear teams apart in a half and win games off his own boot, and has done so countless times. He could have probably kicked a 100 goals a year in a West Coast or Geelong lineup, with the quality of their midfields. In fact not probably, I’d say it’s an almost certainty. Instead for the past few years he has put up with one of the worst midfield set ups in history. Does anyone remember 2003, with our starting centre of Kouta, Campo and Hulme? Or 2004? Or 2005? We had a couple of quality mids in those years, but the midfield was also complimented by the likes of Mckormick, David Clarke, Chambers, etc. Of course Fevola chucked the dummy sometimes. But at the end of the day he never ever tried to leave the club, despite many clubs being ready to happily swoop him away.

Because at the end of the day Fev loves this club. If you look at the players in the room after a loss, you will see Fev being the one that genuinely hurts the most. Fevs the one that kives the kids his time at Family Days. Fevs the one that is always trying to promote the club in one way or another. Fevs the one that never ever thinks about leaving, but rather puts his efforts into helping get other quality players to the club. One of Judd’s conditions of coming to Carlton was that Fev remained here. Fev is liked by players both inside and outside the club who respect his football ability. You only need to look at Judd to see this.

Fev has played full forward to us during the worst period to do so in our history. We are going to come good in the next couple of years, and I for one hope to see Fevola remaining at Full Forward and finally bearing the fruits he so richly deserves. He’s an idiot yes, but he’s our idiot. He’s made mistakes yes, but they’re stupid mistakes not malicious one. He’s had a problem with alcohol yes, but so have lots of others and he made such good progress in 2006 I see no reason why he can’t do it again. And finally, even in his supposedly “bad years”, 2005, 2007, etc, he has still come close to being the competition’s leading goalkicker and kicked over 55 goals despite playing with one of the worst midfields in the league. It is a phenomenal achievement.

There are a lot of players that have not shown this club as much love as Fev has. That’s fine, football is a career now and I understand that. But that should be no reason why we do not try and lend out a bit more sympathy, and a bit more help, and a bit more patience with a guy who genuinely loves the club and has genuinely produced for the club. I love you Fev, and I hope you stay with this club until you retire.


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 Post subject: Re: In defence of Fev
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:27 pm 
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Barack Obama wrote:
I know I get bagged a lot on here, but I don’t care. The stuff I post is driven by one thing, a love of this club and a desire to see it succeed. As such, I have a special fondness for players who appear to genuinely love the club, to cherish the jumper, to bleed for the side. There aren’t many in the AFL that do that these days. There are unfortunately too few. Fortunately for us, we have one of those players and that player is Fev. Whatever you think of him, whether it be goalkicking champion, idiot, brilliant player or headcase, leader, inspirer or distracter, no one can doubt or deny his love for the jumper and the club.

I’m going to tell you a story about Fev. I’ve told it before and I’ll tell it again. It was at a function for a socceroos game, and basically a young kid went up to another player who I won’t mention and asked for an autograph. He was brushed aside. Fev then intervened, spoke to the kid and gave him an autograph. He asked the kid who he went for, and when finding out it was not Carlton, Fev tried to convince the kid to go for Carlton.

If you think I’m now going to claim that this excuses a lot of the mistakes Fev has made in the past, you are wrong. It does not. But I think it puts into context what Fev really is, and that is a big kid. I honestly do not think he ever means anyone any harm when he makes his mistakes. He is certainly not a bad person in my opinion. There are bad people in football, one of which has been the subject of much speculation, innuendo and controversy recently, both here and in another country. I think we all know who I am referring to. But Fev is not like this. Deep down he’s a good man with a kind heart. He makes stupid mistakes of course, but that’s what they are, stupid and not malicious.

I think it was Cazzesman on here who predicted at the beginning of 2006 that Fev would have a good year as he had settled down with his wife and kid, and that can have a huge effect on you, a huge positive effect. Cazzesman was 100 per cent on the ball with that comment. Fev went on to win the coleman in a side that finished last, an achievement which had not been done for decades. That year he showed us what he was truly capable of, both on and off the field. On field he was devastating, and ultimately was judged the best full forward in the league by gaining All Australian Selection. Off field the kids looked up to him, and he was touted as a potential Captain.

OF course a lot has changed since then, but it is not irreparable change. I have no doubt Fev can get back to the 2006 form and the way he conducted himself that year if we give him the chance and help he needs. It’s pretty obvious alcohol is a problem for him, and I have no doubt the club would be helping him with this issue. But in the mean time I urge all the supporters on here calling for him to be traded or sacked to have a long hard look at themselves.

Fev at his best is in my opinion our most devastating player. He can tear teams apart in a half and win games off his own boot, and has done so countless times. He could have probably kicked a 100 goals a year in a West Coast or Geelong lineup, with the quality of their midfields. In fact not probably, I’d say it’s an almost certainty. Instead for the past few years he has put up with one of the worst midfield set ups in history. Does anyone remember 2003, with our starting centre of Kouta, Campo and Hulme? Or 2004? Or 2005? We had a couple of quality mids in those years, but the midfield was also complimented by the likes of Mckormick, David Clarke, Chambers, etc. Of course Fevola chucked the dummy sometimes. But at the end of the day he never ever tried to leave the club, despite many clubs being ready to happily swoop him away.

Because at the end of the day Fev loves this club. If you look at the players in the room after a loss, you will see Fev being the one that genuinely hurts the most. Fevs the one that kives the kids his time at Family Days. Fevs the one that is always trying to promote the club in one way or another. Fevs the one that never ever thinks about leaving, but rather puts his efforts into helping get other quality players to the club. One of Judd’s conditions of coming to Carlton was that Fev remained here. Fev is liked by players both inside and outside the club who respect his football ability. You only need to look at Judd to see this.

Fev has played full forward to us during the worst period to do so in our history. We are going to come good in the next couple of years, and I for one hope to see Fevola remaining at Full Forward and finally bearing the fruits he so richly deserves. He’s an idiot yes, but he’s our idiot. He’s made mistakes yes, but they’re stupid mistakes not malicious one. He’s had a problem with alcohol yes, but so have lots of others and he made such good progress in 2006 I see no reason why he can’t do it again. And finally, even in his supposedly “bad years”, 2005, 2007, etc, he has still come close to being the competition’s leading goalkicker and kicked over 55 goals despite playing with one of the worst midfields in the league. It is a phenomenal achievement.

There are a lot of players that have not shown this club as much love as Fev has. That’s fine, football is a career now and I understand that. But that should be no reason why we do not try and lend out a bit more sympathy, and a bit more help, and a bit more patience with a guy who genuinely loves the club and has genuinely produced for the club. I love you Fev, and I hope you stay with this club until you retire.


great post mate, finally someone who speaks some sense. Fev loves this club more than anyone at the club right now.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:31 pm 
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Fevola also has to understand that he is not the be all and end all.

If he was at any other club, I would hate him with a passion. He is an arrogant player when on and I love that aspect. When he kicks from any distance, you only have to watch him for a split second to see whether it is a goal or not.

There is a big difference between his best and worst. His output sometimes reflects the teams.

The worst I saw of Fevola was a game in the wet against Port at the G, two years ago. I was embarrassed to be within ear shot of him. I was also embarrassed that I had my 5 year old with me at the time. He was arguing with opposing supporters, talking about how much money he was getting all that trash type talk. He was disinterested, injured possibly too. But sometimes, I honestly think he does not have the respect or the right to wear our proud colours. I have also hoped at times that he would be traded, while we can cash in, because, I believed that he is immature and will never change.

Saying that, he is one of the most talented and mercurial forwards in the game. That half of footy he played last year against Essendon* was amazing. Legendary stuff. Fev, really needs to see how true leaders do there business. Johnno Brown is a perfect example. The bloke was headed where Fev is now. He turned it around and is an absolute professional. Win, lose or draw a contest, he just gets on with it. I love watching him play.

Fev needs help from his team mates. But his team mates need Fev to show the leadership we believe he can. If he continues to just go along, I think this will be his last year at Carlton. It is all up to him.


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Great post BO, well said.

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tic .. toc ..

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:59 pm 
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Once the alcohol is out of his system I reckon he will play much better.

You only have to look at 2006 to see the difference

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budzy wrote:
tic .. toc ..


Tick ...tock....

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 Post subject: Re: In defence of Fev
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:33 pm 
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great post mate, finally someone who speaks some sense. Fev loves this club more than anyone at the club right now.


:shock:

I would say that this is your perspective.

Does he speak sense because you love Fev, or the fact that you love Fev 8)

How you would believe it though is beyond me....


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very, very well said barack. i agree totally.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:00 pm 
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The club obviously has to stand by its word...Fev will not see out the season as he will slip up.

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gavroman...honestly, why are you here?

every single time i see your pathetic a-league signature thing i just roll my eyes beacause i know what you have typed is sure to be the negetive ramblings of someone who, quite simply, has no idea. go to big footy or somewhere where people of your like can salivate in the negetivity you seem to so enjoy.

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gavroman has a point though, if he loves the club so much why would he treat his body that way so close to the start of the season?

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seanpb wrote:
gavroman...honestly, why are you here?

every single time i see your pathetic a-league signature thing i just roll my eyes beacause i know what you have typed is sure to be the negetive ramblings of someone who, quite simply, has no idea. go to big footy or somewhere where people of your like can salivate in the negetivity you seem to so enjoy.


What the hell do my A League opinions have to do with what i post???

I dont have to type positive good news story's for the sake of keeping peanuts like u happy.

Our club is a mess on the field...why hide away from it?

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I want Fev to stay. But I'm also very glad that he now understands that the reponsibility is his, rather than having a set of rules just for himself. Patience? We've shown nothing but.

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i think people need to get over it, the fevola incident(s). i couldnt care any less.

how many people go out on the piss on a saturday night, deep into sunday morning, only to have to go to work on monday? id say plenty. i dont care cos hes going to slog his guts out on the track and then, as he did last night, do it in match.

my thoughts on gavroman werent based on one post, but rather a catalogue of previous efforts that amount to nothing more than the most puerile dross i can ever expect to come across.

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A forum is where u share opinions.

We dont have to agree with one another.

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seanpb wrote:
i think people need to get over it, the fevola incident(s). i couldnt care any less.

how many people go out on the piss on a saturday night, deep into sunday morning, only to have to go to work on monday? id say plenty. i dont care cos hes going to slog his guts out on the track and then, as he did last night, do it in match.



I know what you are saying, been on the booze and still go to work etc. But I do not p1ss on front windows with people in clear view. I also am not an employee of a company with 33,000 stake holders that need me to work my ass off to reap the long term benefits of my investment.

Our investment.

Fev has made many, MANY bad decisions. He knows where he stands at the moment.

I hope he enjoys a beer. Bloody hell, I do. He just needs to pull in the reigns a little. Have a beer at home and not put himself in the position to muck up.

This could possibly be Matty Lappins fault??? He got him started with the fire extinguisher at Footscray!


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Fev strikes me as a very passionate person - one that doesn't do things in half-measures.

He wears his heart on his sleeve and that is why as many people love him as hate him. He is like Peter Pan - the boy who never grew up.

Alcohol needs to be an all or nothing thing for him. To me, someone who cannot avoid trouble as a result of alcohol - even when there is a high probability of being discovered and plenty of incentive not to - is essentially an alcoholic. If this is him, then he needs treatment for it. It doesn't make him a bad person in any way. Many of us have addictions of some sort that are detrimental to our overall wellbeing.

I hope that the ultimatum given him by the club is a road to Damascus moment for him and he will realise how close he has come to losing it all and submit himself fully to whatever programs the club has in place for him.

It annoys me though that people deem themselves expert enough to be able to flippantly say "oh, he'll fail" or whatever. In the end he's just a bloke with some personal issues to work on. I can't think of too many 28 year old blokes around that don't.


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Well said Ponkster!

Let's drink to Fev..... 8)


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If Fev caught a person pissing on the window of his restaurant, he would knock his head off. So why is it different when he does it to somebody elses
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