I don't believe these forums...

No one can ever put any perspective on anything. This is not an anti or pro BO post but people don't seem to get things into their thick heads.

Many believe Carlton will be a force again but don't seem to understand which players (and in what quantity) need to stand up for the blues. There is only so much collateral and attrition that this club can stomach. We have to put faith in players like Edwards and Hartlett or (to put it bluntly) recruit some better forwards. Even if we manage to structure a forward line that does not consist of one or both of those two players it will still be a lot of wastage.

What I'm saying is that list management is a delicate and difficult business and there may come a time when one position or another will prove a real problem. People are starting to doubt Setanta, Hartlett, Edwards and Thorton - that is a lot of big men for a side that is struggling to put an effective spine together. We need at least two, perhaps three, of those players to stand up. Judd and Kreuzer won't do it all, you know...

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we'll just have to wait till the end off the year..i'll try remember this

pre-season means very little...kicking goals against rookies from other clubs doesnt secure a spot in the team in my mind

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That's a great post!

In support of what you say, we must add that these 4 players are young or relatively young only (half way in their senior career, but have a foundation of experience gained from exposure to senior footy,esp Thornton 100 games).

IMO, I don't think any of them have hit their peak yet; that's usually and prbably will be after 25yo for good footballers, less for freaks like Judd, Murphy and Gibbs.

Look at what a star Scotty Lucas is for the Bumbers forwardline, and then consider what he was like when he was between 21 and 23. I'll tell you. Ordinary, in and out of the game; showed his best in finals (2000-2003).

The glass is half full.

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I'm glad you think it is such a great post Bondi!

As with 90% of Paf's posts... I read it, I reread it, I read it again, I crossed my eyes and read it, I stood on my head and read it, I looked at it through a glass of water.... and by the end of it all, I still had NFI as to what he was on about

HAHAHAHA...sameb

Hartlett has the tools and if he stays on the park will be a big tick in 2008. Bookmark it.

I still reckon that if either of these boys can have a brilliant year, and play realy realy well, they will go alright for us.....

bank on it...

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We need alternatives to Fev and Fisher in the forward line -it needs to be multi-dimensional - give both plenty of game time and if both or one can be a regular by the end of the year it has been worth it - if either can give us a cameo every so often in their first season and kick goals terrific - yes I KNOW Hartlett has had a couple of games but not really much game time so far so is effectively a rookie

Does the team get picked tomorrow?

Well, looks like they might both get a Gig if Fev gets a "timeout".

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the thing about harts is that he can take a strong grab on the lead- in fact both are pretty good over head.. you can say that harts is just as good a kick of the footy than fev so we potentially have two goal kicking forwards capable to core from 50 meters+

hartlett is no buddy franklin...no chf is.. but in a traditional sense he is very good.

Well, with no Fev this week (you'd imagine) I'd line them up like...

FF: Cloke - Edwards -Betts
HF: Houlihan - Hartlett - Gibbs

Two talls, the resting ruckman and a bunch of mobile types who can deliver the ball. They're gonna need good delivery this week... Mind you the Richmond backline may feature Bowden on Edwards and Polak on Hartlett... And I'd be okay with those match-ups.

I've read it once or twice.

I think what he is saying is that people have no concept of where these kids should be played, if they'll even make it at all and yet the general consensus it that we will be a force again, win premierships again.

If you are doubting the guys we already have on the list then it doesn't follow to proclaim that we will be a force again. If you are doubting the guys we already have then you should be all for recruiting new guys that you think WILL make it.

Wheras BO doesn't think these guys will be anything special so he wants to tank to ensure we get the talent required.

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Hartlett has to have his chance now if he's ever going to, (and good luck to him) but my preference is for Edwards in the long run. He doesn't appear as fragile and has more grunt factor. Marks cleanly and with a few more kgs and match confidence he has the scope to really hold down his place in the team.

WHO are you????????

I like Edlett by the way!

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Both can have roles in our forward line. I think Hartlett should keep his spot ahead of Edwards when Fisher returns as he straightens the team up and pushes up to the wings whereas Edwards stays closer to goal.

Looks like both are playing. I suspect that Hartlett will spend some time in defence, where his 196cm could help combat Richmond's talls.

I know it's very early but I'm officially putting myself on the Edwards is better than Hartlett bandwagon.
Edwards:
- Can run
- Has good hands
Hartlett:
- Is slow as treacle
- Thinks being tough is belting people
Our list of players in recent times who are just too slow for the modern game has just grown by one Whitnall, Morrell, O'Reilly, Teague, Harford, Hartlett.

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Edwards for the next month at least