Carrazzo was disgraceful i would mark him down as a 3 at best his kicking and constant butchering of the ball is amazing.
Betts should not be running around in a carlton jumper........back in the bullants.
2 piss easy goals handed to him. Doesnt do enough doesnt give us much up forward.

As for Fev i know some will disagree and shoot me down. But geez he plays a selfish game.....

Occasional forward pressure
Throws the ball on the boot at all times when a couple of times tonight he could have given it off for a goal.
Slow to get up after beaten in a contest (happened more then once)


We gotta stop kicking it to Fev all the bloody time.
Thornton should not be allowed to set up a play running out of defense.
Tackling was pathetic constantly got shrugged or broken............weak tackling by all (except Judd, Hadley)

CONS:
1. Carlton have (and have had for the last few years now) a TERRIBLE defence. thornton-average, a bit unreliable. houlihan-unreliable, average
jamison-played 5 games, not too good (showed some ok signs, was unlucky with umpires), grigg-SHITHOUSE 5 games, waite-should be in forward line IMO, scotland-good/midfielder, but lacks good disposal of footy (gets tackled way too much), bower-played 12 games, but played pretty good, bannister-average/doesnt do much.

2. Carlton have a POOR forward line. Fevola is unreliable and doesnt knw how to mark. If he doesnt play well, carlton doesnt play well. Apart from him we dont have any other back-up. edwards was average at best. dropped off majorly. too many times carlton go goal-less or kick 1 a quarter...NOT GOOD ENOUGH. betts is good, but not consistent, fisher has had a terrible run with injury. i really do think waite should be played in the forward line. he is wasting his talent in the backline.

3. lack of aggresion. somebody needs to teach carlton how to TACKLE. too many times i see scotland or houlihan make a sloppy tackle.

4. fevola...he is a liability. his marking is appauling and his kicking is inconsistent. full forwards need to kick more than 2 goals a game. on of the differences in this game was that fev kicked 2 and richo kicked 5. after today i am really starting to think that carlton should maybe start to think of using him as trade bait.

PROS
1. Murphy had a really good game i think. his disposal was okay, but he showed positive signs around the ground. simpo & stevens were very good in first half but began to drop off.


2. i thought judd played ok. he got a lot of the ball (22 disposals) considering he was on and off for most of the game


i reckon carlton should consider trading thornton or fevola at the end of the season. the desperately need to get an oomf in their defence and offence. i reckon blackwell deserves a place in the team. aswell as bentick. remove players like grigg and play blackwell. he has show great signs whilst getting time..but they dont let give him an opportunity to show how good he is.

i was really pissed off when writing this and had a bit of a rant...take this into consideration when reading

Maybe you should relax before posting

Out of your Cons the only one you were even close was the tackling the rest I totaly disagree with you.

Pros...Murphy started well and I like him forward
Fev tried hard
Judd did well and will improve with more games
Jamison...I thought he battled hard, Richo is huge and no one could handle him.

Cons.....Lack pace......we couldnt physically catch the likes of Raines, Foley, King......
Tackling...when we did catch them we still cant make tackles stick and I rate Richmond as a weak physical team..

No overhead marking power down forward
Poor decision making and poor disposal.
Couple of our players took their eye of the footy and didnt go hard enough.

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PROS:

Edwards - showed flashes of serious talent: Take note BO. Should play every game if he keeps bringing that kind of play to the table.

Hartlett - Presented well and did as much as one could expect stepping into a CHF role. Doesn't ever threaten to do scoreboard damage though.

Judd - working his way in and was solid if unspectacular. Even at 80%, I'll take his vision and touch. Amazing diving attempt to smother late in the game.

Fevola - played a team game (unfortunately the team responded in kind and kicked it to him when they really shouldn't have). Could have had 4.

Bower - link play was good when players supported him.

Thornton - same as Bower but naturally performed this task all game long. Solid stuff from T-Bird in his natural role.

Simpson - does not quit even when he's near dead on his feet. Great stuff.

Stevens - sensational. If only everyone played like him tonight.

Setanta - great for an underdone bloke from Ireland. Played over the shop and did so with gusto: taps, shepards, big grabs, good goals, hard runs.

CONS:

Bannister - Lacks the vision to succeed at this level long-term. We need to bring in someone like Browne to replace him next week.

Jamison - Not really a knock on him, but who the hell decided to put him on Richo and what collective group of idiots chose to leave him there. I don't care if you value Waite's rebound; he was the ideal match up for Richo. Jamo could have handled Schulz. Give the kid another 10 kilos - THEN put him on Richo. Unbelievable.

Waite - At least you didn't lose your footing Jarrad but my god... can you hold a train of thought for more than three-tenths of a second? You are continually running past blokes because you go to lay the tackle and don't watch their sidestep. More than half the time you could have taken a leaf out of Harlett's book; tuck in the arm and introduce them to the MCG turf. I've got a new nickname for you: Mr. Neutral. For all the good things you do, you inevitably square the ledger in the negatives column.

Grigg - Again not a knock on him: this kid is not a HBFer, or BP. He is a winger or a HFFer. He receives the ball, burns his opponent and disposes well on his left. He continually zoned off into no-man's-land. Full points to Ratts for wanting a bloke to set up the play but that has Gibbs' name written all over it. Which brings me to my next point.

Gibbs - I don't know if it's a lack of confidence, or vision as a young player or if he's just had it completely coached out of him, but he refused to kick to some decent long options tonight. Several 45 metre passes went begging and we all know he's capable.

Carrazzo - On several occasions when taking possession around half-back, he stopped and propped and took an eternity to dispose of the ball to the next option (and he wasn't alone). His lack of urgency cost several options which would have created a clean break to give our forwards opportunities to contest 1-on-1.

Ratten and his staff - What the @#$%&! were you doing. It was man-on-man, then it was man-on-man with some players under instruction to drop back on loss of possession. Then it was man-on-man with everyone under instruction to drop back if they felt the current contest was covered. Then it was @#$%&! mayhem. Yeah you're a rookie but Terry completely out-coached you.

Kick-outs are another good example. Richmond started by drawing our blokes into their four short leading options, which for anyone in the stands looked like a completely stupid option for the Tigers, until surprise surprise they all double-backed to the 50 to receive with the flight of the ball. This was all built off a fake huddle. Even if it was actually a huddle play... here's a thought: create a zone defence for the kick-out you goose. Force them take the short option or thread the needle. If they take the short, keep applying enough pressure on the ball carrier and maintain the zone wall further and further down the field. That is counter-attack football, and that is what you should have been doing against a Richmond side that doesn't have the footskills to cope. Apologies if this was the gameplan and the players lacked the wherewithal to follow through. Finally, a forward structure that isn't 70% 'bang it long to Fev unless he has more than 4 blokes on him' would be nice.

Fitness staff - Are you in charge of rotations? Who is? Why did all our more skilful players tire significantly in the last? You rotated more for what? Show? Stevens for example lost 15 metres off his kicking range in a total of 25 minutes of football...

Skills staff - What. the. hell. We're supposedly doing 3 times more kicking and hand passing at training (training watcher figure from way back) and yet we can't size up half the options in range by foot. Not impressed. Overhead marking is still a concern for a sizable number of players and we continue to be smashed in marking contest due to deplorable body positioning and an inability to concentrate on the flight of the ball (or most of the team have vision problems). These are the fundamentals of this game and when you have most of your list under the age of 23, this is EXACTLY what you need to be focussing on.

So tired of watching the players change every year and generally the same shit keeps happening otherwise. Pathetic. You've had 5 months and 5 competitive hit-outs Ratts and so far: not much bloody different.

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

But we were the only team to play Richmond

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"I had to eat"

Thats when he was responsible for most of his woeful kicking

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Pros - another 21 opportunities this year

Cons - this board tonight

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

PROS

1. Thought Cloke tried hard and probably broke even in the 1st half which is as much as I expect from him
2. Judd was a long way from full fitness but still was in our best - hopefully young players will realise you don;t need to dominate to contribute
3. Murphy in the 1st half
4. I don't have to go to work tommorrow ( or Monday)


CONS
1. Our tackling doesn't seem to have improved
2. Grigg seems to want an eternity to dispose of the ball (similar to Simpson in his first few games)
3. Lack of talking - how many times did three fowards contest and Richmond left one player down who then casually strolled outta defence ?

Pros:

Well... all the talk of tanking will finally end!

Cons:

If we keep going like this, it may start up again at round 20


Twinone

Tonight he started saying that Waite should be left down back all season. In the 3rd quarter he was saying moving Waite foward was a good move !...

Pros:
- Our quick handballing, Ratten must have been personally teaching the whole team one of his major weapon.
- Murphy
- Judd, some really nice clearance and passing.


Cons:
- Defence, very young and inexperiened, long way to go.
- Lack of marks taken in the forward 50
- Fevola, he doesn't look fit.
- tackling, too @#$%&! soft!

Cons:
In the 1st half, I really did think Richmond were not up to AFL standard as far as footy teams go.

The fact that they beat us convincingly in the end is a massive reality check for me personally!

The biggest pro is the reality check we have received....

Could not agree more!

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Don't worry. We will rebuild him.

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Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Pros

The younger players got valuable experience
Judd OK in his first hit out and Stevens did OK after almost an entire year on the sidelines
Handball at times was slick
We were on FTA

Cons

Overrun in the 2nd half
Ruck still a huge problem
Defence still a huge problem
Tackling isn't up to AFL standard
Terrible conversion from set shots

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CONs: RATTS
Why did he continue with Jamison on Richo. Richo was alot bigger and stronger. Jamo did well in some occasions, but he isn't that big. Ratts put Thornton on him for a bit, but switched to Jamison straight away.

another thing that pissed me off about ratts is that he was a brilliant hard tackler, and i thought he would've concentrated on that aspect of our game, but they were running rings around us.

PROs: It's only round 1. Collingwood lost to richmond last year, and geelong lost their first round match last year against the dogs, and look how things changed. Maybe that the media is not going to be concentrating on us, we can concentrate on the game.

I have forgotten what it feels like to win.

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There was a strong breeze at the end we were kicking to in the 2nd and last quarters. Players continually had trouble adjusting to this on both sides, but we just managed to secure most of our shots much further out than Richmond.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.