Interesting to see the offers if Fev ends up with 80+ goals this season.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Whatever penalty that Fevola has gotten is Carlton's call to make. He is their employer and they are the only ones responsible to make the decision.

What I find somewhat bemusing is that some posters are actually asserting that Fevola's actions were "no big deal", and presumably doing it with a straight face. I was not aware that using the front window of a restaurant in a busy street was free game for a pissing free-for-all. I scratch my head at the notion that anybody with even the vaguest and basic understanding of public standards of behaviour would even need to be told that such an appaling action does not meet this most basic of standards.

How low do the most basic and rudimentary public standards of the common garden variety AFL footballer actually stoop compared to the rest of society? I guess when you have meatheads of the calibre of Fev, Gehrig, Justin Crawford, and Julian O'Neill in the NRL, nothing should surprise.

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"You've got no fear of The Underdog, that's why you will not survive"
- Spoon, 2007
- Western Bulldogs, 2016

The shift in the club started when Pratt came and culminated in the arrival of Judd followed by Kreuzer.

Fev is talented but as the season rolls on, will no longer be the heart and soul of the CFC.

Compared to the rest of the team, Fev is ancient. They are the future and whilst Fev was a shining light during our darkest days, he needs to decide whether he wants to be a one club player.

The line in the sand for him has been drawn.

Let's move on from this crappy week for the club and let the players make a statement tomorrow night about the year ahead.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Probably an inoppurtune to bring this up but if Fev is to continue with the Blues next year, or is traded at the end of this season, he has to be re signed first.
At some stage during this season negotiations must take place on a new contract. Hopefully those negotiations will be fruitful and both parties will be happy to continue the association.
If this doesn't happen we face a season of uncertainty about Fev's future
which will have a destabilising effect on the team.
And if he doesn't commit to a new contract, then we face the real possibility of him walking and the club getting zip in return.

I think Fev is without a manager at the moment which strangely I think is not a good thing. Maybe if Fev had a manager who was fearful of losing a lucrative commission then at least 1 person in the arrangement might have the common sense to make sure no incidents occurred. With a new contract looming at the end of the year you'd think a good manager would be trying to maximise potential etc. As much as I hate to suggest it, maybe fev needs a good manager that can kick his @rse into line.

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"Who discovered we could get milk from cows, and what did he think he was doing at the time?" Billy Connolly

Spot on.

The club has placed itself in a very tricky situation.

The only realistic outcomes at years end are we sign Fevola and he stays or he goes into the PSD.

He had a good manager.

Lets get this straight. Pissing on a window is a minor offence, Its disgusting and stupid but if anyone argues its a big deal, its because they have a big case of "Carlton envy".

I disagree, as I see it we are in a strong position because of this, if Fev wants to stay at Carlton he needs to step up to the mark and accept our conditions. If he cannot fit into where our club is going then he can move on, we only need him at the club if he will be a team player, on and off the field. If he continues merrily on his destructive ways feeding negative media about the club then we don't need him. He can go and try his luck just like Hamill.

We shouldn't need to beg players and coaches to be at the club, we're Carlton and flower the rest, as someone was reported to have said.

It does put us in a position where it will be impossible to trade him. Fevola won't sign a contract knowing he the club wants to give him the flick because he will be able to secure a better salary on the open market.

He will only sign if Carlton are desperate to keep him, and if they're not it will be in his best interest to walk and the club will be left empty handed.

Can we just sit back and assess his 'rap sheet'

The 'Dry Cleaner' episode - nearly 10 years ago, with someone who is not involved with coaching the club. Silly drunken behaviour

The 'Irish Incident' - bear hugging a bar tender, stupid, stupid thing, again alcohol related

The 'window wee' - obscene and irresponsible, should know better, an act well below public standards (especially for someone in the limelight) - again alcohol related.


Oh and lets not forget 'Offended Melbelle one night' - not sure of the details, have to open the sealed section of new idea to find out - allegedly alcohol related. (mel pm me if you like)

Clearly he does have a problem with being responsible with alcohol and understanding the effect it has on him and his teammates and those close to him. Hopefully we can treat his 'condition' and bring out the best in him. A suspension would have achieved absoultely nothing except shutting the media up.

I don't rule out trading him, but it will be more related to what happens from hereon rather then the past when we as a club haven't taken action or steps to address the problem seriously in the past.

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Between our dreams and actions lies this world

I will be glad when fev no longer wears the navy blue

and

couldn't care less about this latest incident

you either accept the flower with the talent

or you don't.

I don't - except when he is bagging them in a game - but thats why footy is weird - it flowers with your ethics sometimes.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Didn't the Capuano clause, come into being because once a player has resigned with the club, he cannot be traded in the first year of his contract?

Hypothetically, if the club resigns him tomorrow for season 2009 to 2011, and he transgresses, on the day priort o trade week, they cannot trade him at the end of this year.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

I think that's basically right - he can't be traded within 12 months of signing a contract.

So he'll be shopped at the end of the year, no doubt. Theoretically he could leave us for nothing - if he was happy to go to the club which finishes 16th this year. However if he didn't want to go there, then he would need a trade.

If he has a ripper season and changes his spots we still have a chance to re-sign him, he now knows what we want from him and that we are serious.

If he blows his chance then yes, we may have to let him go without compensation IF he nominate for the PSD. It is not a done deal we will get nothing (e.g. Judd & weagles). But this was always his last year of contract and this way he can't play games with us, he steps up to the mark or he goes. He can't tease us with a few good games, a few bad games, and a few 'incidents'.

Judd was out of contract at the WCE, but that didn't stop both he and the club arranging a suitable trade for him at season's end.

If Fev and the club part ways, it wouldn't be that hard to arrange a decent trade, contract or not.

Fev may have pissed on a window, but when sober, he's not the kind of guy who'd piss all over the club and leave us with nothing. He's immature and irresponsible and a nightmare when drunk, but he also has a heart and genuinely cares for the club. Your classic paradox.

It's pretty rare for good players to walk into the PSD. As we should know, because Stevens aside, there's been zilch over the last five years.

actually he can - the rule (heffernan rule) was introduced to prevent forced trades but iirc was quickly wound back/modified as the league realised that the rule meant clubs became reluctant to sign players mid season for fear of tying up their trade options.

The capuano rule had something to do with sacking of players midseason - the rule prevents clubs from just sacking a player midseason (as the saints did) - rather they need to get league approval beforehand

If he wants a $500,000+ contract from us or any other club when he negotiates a new contract he will want to have a ripper season this year.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Have doctors develop a treatment for being stupid because I was unaware of it - You would think it would be the cure of the century I never heard the announcement you would think Today tonight or ACA would have been all over it

Fev doesn't have a problem with the grog - Fev is a d**khead because he acts the same when he is playing. Don't tell me he drinks before a game


I noticed Parkin accepting some of the responsibilty for Fev at least Parko sees his mistake and as usual make a lot of sense

Where is the letter from dear old Denis saying he should have let him go

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They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

We need to face the facts that the chances are Fev won't be with us next year. Where he goes and what we get for him depends on how he performs for the 22+ rounds coming up. He won't want to go to Richmond or Melbourne, so we won't lose him for zip.

If he tightens himself up we might get a late first rounder for him, but that's about it.

Worst case scenario is he walks for nothin and he's basically ruined his chance of becoming a legend of some calibre. If that's what he choses, then so be it. I've had enough of expending emotional energy on this F_wit.

Still, as DB says, I'll also cheer him on as he tears Collingwood apart .

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Can't help wondering what Fev's reaction would be to someone pissing on the front window of his restaurant.